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		<title>By: lillbra &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Sajter under lupp</title>
		<link>http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/09/29/accessibility-tested-web-sites-nokia-vs-sony-ericsson/#comment-466167</link>
		<dc:creator>lillbra &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Sajter under lupp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 05:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] kollega Robert Nyman har gjort en jämförelse av tillgängligheten på Sony Ericsson och Nokias webbplatser. Sony Ericsson drar tveklöst det kortaste strået, vars sajt inte fungerar alls utan javascript. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] kollega Robert Nyman har gjort en jämförelse av tillgängligheten på Sony Ericsson och Nokias webbplatser. Sony Ericsson drar tveklöst det kortaste strået, vars sajt inte fungerar alls utan javascript. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Life w/o Javascript: A look at Nokia vs. SonyEricsson &#187; UIE Brain Sparks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Life w/o Javascript: A look at Nokia vs. SonyEricsson &#187; UIE Brain Sparks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 23:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Robert Nyman does just that with the Nokia and SonyEricsson UK sites and finds some surprising results. It&#8217;s quite a good write up. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Best of the rest - 40? ???????? 2008 &#124; Tsevdos.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Best of the rest - 40? ???????? 2008 &#124; Tsevdos.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 15:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ???????? sites ?????????? ??????????????? (accessibility). ?? ???? ?? post ???????? ?? ????? ??? ??????????? ?????????? ??? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Robert Nyman</title>
		<link>http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/09/29/accessibility-tested-web-sites-nokia-vs-sony-ericsson/#comment-448038</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Nyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 13:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stefan,

Thank you very much. :-)
&lt;a href="http://www.alexa.com/data/details/main/robertnyman.com" rel="nofollow"&gt;According to Alexa, 99% of other web sites are slower&lt;/a&gt;, so that feels good. Feels good that I have done my &lt;a href="http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/05/09/improve-your-web-site-performance-tips-tricks-to-get-a-good-yslow-rating/" rel="nofollow"&gt;performance homework&lt;/a&gt;.

Matt,

Thank you!
Sure, it's not like everything's wrong with the Flash versions of their web sites (although overall, personally I don't prefer them). And the web is full of people using things just because it's possible, but not necessarily always the most suitable.

Steven,

Thanks!
I won't go into Arts Tasmania in detail here, but thanks for the rant!

Also, congratulations to the camera! I have no idea where that bastard comment would have come from... ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stefan,</p>
<p>Thank you very much. <img src='http://www.robertnyman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
<a href="http://www.alexa.com/data/details/main/robertnyman.com" rel="nofollow">According to Alexa, 99% of other web sites are slower</a>, so that feels good. Feels good that I have done my <a href="http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/05/09/improve-your-web-site-performance-tips-tricks-to-get-a-good-yslow-rating/" rel="nofollow">performance homework</a>.</p>
<p>Matt,</p>
<p>Thank you!<br />
Sure, it&#8217;s not like everything&#8217;s wrong with the Flash versions of their web sites (although overall, personally I don&#8217;t prefer them). And the web is full of people using things just because it&#8217;s possible, but not necessarily always the most suitable.</p>
<p>Steven,</p>
<p>Thanks!<br />
I won&#8217;t go into Arts Tasmania in detail here, but thanks for the rant!</p>
<p>Also, congratulations to the camera! I have no idea where that bastard comment would have come from&#8230; <img src='http://www.robertnyman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Steven Clark</title>
		<link>http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/09/29/accessibility-tested-web-sites-nokia-vs-sony-ericsson/#comment-447814</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 09:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry that link to Arts Tasmania is

http://www.arts.tas.gov.au/

I'd truely love to see how this could improve the stats. It's the local poster child for worst practice BTW. I've been meaning to do an article on it but it's just too easy. Swishy navigation you have to chase, and all that swishy stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry that link to Arts Tasmania is</p>
<p><a href="http://www.arts.tas.gov.au/" rel="nofollow">http://www.arts.tas.gov.au/</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;d truely love to see how this could improve the stats. It&#8217;s the local poster child for worst practice <acronym title="By The Way">BTW</acronym>. I&#8217;ve been meaning to do an article on it but it&#8217;s just too easy. Swishy navigation you have to chase, and all that swishy stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Clark</title>
		<link>http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/09/29/accessibility-tested-web-sites-nokia-vs-sony-ericsson/#comment-447808</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 09:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes a well written article Robert, nice work. You might look at Arts Tasmania, a government website here. Being transparent I should point out that DEPHA (Dept Environment, Parks, Heritage and the Arts) Web team are responsible - and they happen to be the group I resigned from a couple of weeks ago.

When they mentioned this site at my initial interview I burst out laughing very loudly. Couldn't help it - they'd just grilled me for 10 minutes about web standards and best practice. Anyway, there's nothing like the analogue arts industry to get shafted by the shiny Flash object lol... personally I think on that site JS off is the best experience.

What really gets me though is that when you go ask these guys they're - Nokia team, for example - they've had so many "designers" and "managers" slapping each other on the back that there's no way they'll see their work as flawed. For christ sake it was in the company newsletter! The general manager sent an email!!!!!

OK I'm a bit jaded in my new unemployment but having just come from a "Flash Banner on everything" environment I could draw and quarter Mr Flash developers far and wide for this kind of stuff.

Apologies for the rant everyone [did I mention I bought a Nikon D90 to console myself - Robert called me a bastard but I had lost faith in Santa so got it myself] :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes a well written article Robert, nice work. You might look at Arts Tasmania, a government website here. Being transparent I should point out that DEPHA (Dept Environment, Parks, Heritage and the Arts) Web team are responsible - and they happen to be the group I resigned from a couple of weeks ago.</p>
<p>When they mentioned this site at my initial interview I burst out laughing very loudly. Couldn&#8217;t help it - they&#8217;d just grilled me for 10 minutes about web standards and best practice. Anyway, there&#8217;s nothing like the analogue arts industry to get shafted by the shiny Flash object lol&#8230; personally I think on that site JS off is the best experience.</p>
<p>What really gets me though is that when you go ask these guys they&#8217;re - Nokia team, for example - they&#8217;ve had so many &#8220;designers&#8221; and &#8220;managers&#8221; slapping each other on the back that there&#8217;s no way they&#8217;ll see their work as flawed. For christ sake it was in the company newsletter! The general manager sent an email!!!!!</p>
<p>OK I&#8217;m a bit jaded in my new unemployment but having just come from a &#8220;Flash Banner on everything&#8221; environment I could draw and quarter Mr Flash developers far and wide for this kind of stuff.</p>
<p>Apologies for the rant everyone [did I mention I bought a Nikon D90 to console myself - Robert called me a bastard but I had lost faith in Santa so got it myself] <img src='http://www.robertnyman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Matt Robin</title>
		<link>http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/09/29/accessibility-tested-web-sites-nokia-vs-sony-ericsson/#comment-447186</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Oct 2008 00:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, I've noticed this with these two sites as well Robert (and drawn similar conclusions!)

I've been spending quite a bit of time at both sites lately as I'm thinking of upgrading my phone. Currently, I have a Sony Ericsson - and I like their phones more than Nokia. Yes, I like the iPhone - but I don't like O2 (the phone's UK exclusive provider) - so that's not an option for me.

Both web sites (Nokia and Sony-Ericsson) rely far too much on scripts and that's definitely bad practice.

I don't think it's all bad for the Sony-Ericsson site: I mean, for the visitors with javascript and flash enabled, I think it is the better of the two sites and has some nice design touches in there. I've enjoyed using the site far more than the Nokia web site.  There is no excuse for the lack of non-javascript support though - and they'd be wise to resolve that soon (but I doubt they will).

Over-reliance on Flash with the Sony-Ericsson site reminds me a lot of some car manufacturers' web sites too...similar thing: "Ooh, it's slick, it's trick, it looks wonderful....we must use it for everything!" (while completely abandoning best practice for accessibility and usability too! Not smart!!)

Good observations and comments Robert.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, I&#8217;ve noticed this with these two sites as well Robert (and drawn similar conclusions!)</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been spending quite a bit of time at both sites lately as I&#8217;m thinking of upgrading my phone. Currently, I have a Sony Ericsson - and I like their phones more than Nokia. Yes, I like the iPhone - but I don&#8217;t like O2 (the phone&#8217;s UK exclusive provider) - so that&#8217;s not an option for me.</p>
<p>Both web sites (Nokia and Sony-Ericsson) rely far too much on scripts and that&#8217;s definitely bad practice.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s all bad for the Sony-Ericsson site: I mean, for the visitors with javascript and flash enabled, I think it is the better of the two sites and has some nice design touches in there. I&#8217;ve enjoyed using the site far more than the Nokia web site.  There is no excuse for the lack of non-javascript support though - and they&#8217;d be wise to resolve that soon (but I doubt they will).</p>
<p>Over-reliance on Flash with the Sony-Ericsson site reminds me a lot of some car manufacturers&#8217; web sites too&#8230;similar thing: &#8220;Ooh, it&#8217;s slick, it&#8217;s trick, it looks wonderful&#8230;.we must use it for everything!&#8221; (while completely abandoning best practice for accessibility and usability too! Not smart!!)</p>
<p>Good observations and comments Robert.</p>
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		<title>By: Stefan Van Reeth</title>
		<link>http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/09/29/accessibility-tested-web-sites-nokia-vs-sony-ericsson/#comment-446967</link>
		<dc:creator>Stefan Van Reeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Oct 2008 21:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Each time I load up this site I just love the swiftness of it. Navigation is a cake. And it's just awesome in it's simplicity. So if I were Robert, I'd too would be wondering how on earth those companies didn't call me when they needed a new site ;)

Loved the pagerank test, dead on target I's say.

Cheers, Stefan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Each time I load up this site I just love the swiftness of it. Navigation is a cake. And it&#8217;s just awesome in it&#8217;s simplicity. So if I were Robert, I&#8217;d too would be wondering how on earth those companies didn&#8217;t call me when they needed a new site <img src='http://www.robertnyman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Loved the pagerank test, dead on target I&#8217;s say.</p>
<p>Cheers, Stefan</p>
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		<title>By: links for 2008-09-30 at Ip&#8217;s.</title>
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		<dc:creator>links for 2008-09-30 at Ip&#8217;s.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 19:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Accessibility tested web sites: Nokia vs. Sony Ericsson - Robert’s talk - Web development and Inte... &#34;Having done an amount of cell phone research lately, I’ve had the not-so-pleasant experience of seeing the level of quality of certain cell phone vendor web sites. Therefore, I’d like to compare Nokia vs. Sony Ericsson.&#34; (tags: accessibility nokia sony-ericsson testing mobile javascript) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Accessibility tested web sites: Nokia vs. Sony Ericsson - Robert’s talk - Web development and Inte&#8230; &quot;Having done an amount of cell phone research lately, I’ve had the not-so-pleasant experience of seeing the level of quality of certain cell phone vendor web sites. Therefore, I’d like to compare Nokia vs. Sony Ericsson.&quot; (tags: accessibility nokia sony-ericsson testing mobile javascript) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Nyman</title>
		<link>http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/09/29/accessibility-tested-web-sites-nokia-vs-sony-ericsson/#comment-443278</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Nyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:31:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Emil,

Yeah, I think it's weird that some seem to think they can have one thing, but only without another.

And no, I really don't want to see the intranets. :-)

Gustaf,

Thank you, I hope so too!

I mean, somewhere along the line, someone have to explain that they knew nothing of accessibility or completely ignored it. Either is really, really bad, especially more so for the template of a world-wide site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Emil,</p>
<p>Yeah, I think it&#8217;s weird that some seem to think they can have one thing, but only without another.</p>
<p>And no, I really don&#8217;t want to see the intranets. <img src='http://www.robertnyman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Gustaf,</p>
<p>Thank you, I hope so too!</p>
<p>I mean, somewhere along the line, someone have to explain that they knew nothing of accessibility or completely ignored it. Either is really, really bad, especially more so for the template of a world-wide site.</p>
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		<title>By: Gustaf Forsslund</title>
		<link>http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/09/29/accessibility-tested-web-sites-nokia-vs-sony-ericsson/#comment-442449</link>
		<dc:creator>Gustaf Forsslund</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 07:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great entry, Robert. I really hope that the right people at the respective companies (and others) see this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great entry, Robert. I really hope that the right people at the respective companies (and others) see this.</p>
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		<title>By: Emil Stenström</title>
		<link>http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/09/29/accessibility-tested-web-sites-nokia-vs-sony-ericsson/#comment-441826</link>
		<dc:creator>Emil Stenström</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Sep 2008 21:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must say, SonyEricsson has too much branding and too little usability, and Nokia has it the other way around. Perhaps they could merge their sites? Hmm... no, that would probably make a ugly flash site. Damn.

Internal humor: This is bad, but you should see their intranets!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must say, SonyEricsson has too much branding and too little usability, and Nokia has it the other way around. Perhaps they could merge their sites? Hmm&#8230; no, that would probably make a ugly flash site. Damn.</p>
<p>Internal humor: This is bad, but you should see their intranets!</p>
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