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		<title>By: Siegfried</title>
		<link>http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/09/09/german-code/#comment-424985</link>
		<dc:creator>Siegfried</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 19:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Robert: Just drop me a note :)

@Chris: Ich ebenfalls: Reichelsheim/Odenwald. Aber aufgewachsen an der Schweizer Grenze :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Robert: Just drop me a note <img src='http://www.robertnyman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>@Chris: Ich ebenfalls: Reichelsheim/Odenwald. Aber aufgewachsen an der Schweizer Grenze <img src='http://www.robertnyman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Robert Nyman</title>
		<link>http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/09/09/german-code/#comment-417320</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Nyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Goulven,

Ha ha, I understand that! :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Goulven,</p>
<p>Ha ha, I understand that! <img src='http://www.robertnyman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Goulven</title>
		<link>http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/09/09/german-code/#comment-417316</link>
		<dc:creator>Goulven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:03:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember feeding poor code through an automatic translator because comments and variable names were in german...

"German code" doesn't ring the same bell to me since then! ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember feeding poor code through an automatic translator because comments and variable names were in german&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;German code&#8221; doesn&#8217;t ring the same bell to me since then! <img src='http://www.robertnyman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/09/09/german-code/#comment-415568</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 05:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Siegfried, I'm from Hesse (south) and have to object about BaWü &#62; Hesse ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Siegfried, I&#8217;m from Hesse (south) and have to object about BaWü &gt; Hesse <img src='http://www.robertnyman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Robert Nyman</title>
		<link>http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/09/09/german-code/#comment-414922</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Nyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 19:20:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Siegfried,

If i come down there, let's make sure to meet over a piece of bread, ok? :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Siegfried,</p>
<p>If i come down there, let&#8217;s make sure to meet over a piece of bread, ok? <img src='http://www.robertnyman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Siegfried</title>
		<link>http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/09/09/german-code/#comment-414878</link>
		<dc:creator>Siegfried</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 18:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>German bread is indeed excellent. And the enormous variety is another quality aspect. But to be honest, this variety of bread, and the quality, is mostly an aspect of south Germany. So if any day you come to south Germany just go into any bakery and try some. It's really good. I know of nothing comparable anywhere in the world.

I think, best bread is in Baden-Württemberg, the southwest region of Germany.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>German bread is indeed excellent. And the enormous variety is another quality aspect. But to be honest, this variety of bread, and the quality, is mostly an aspect of south Germany. So if any day you come to south Germany just go into any bakery and try some. It&#8217;s really good. I know of nothing comparable anywhere in the world.</p>
<p>I think, best bread is in Baden-Württemberg, the southwest region of Germany.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Nyman</title>
		<link>http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/09/09/german-code/#comment-414248</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Nyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 09:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your feedback!

To be honest, I know virtually nothing about the general skill level of German Developers, it's jut a saying coming from the German things which definitely are of good quality.

Perhaps we should call it Scandinavian Code if you consider that to be quality! :-)

Mattias,

I like the Turkey-safe concept! :-)

Siegfried,

Thanks for the background story!

Jrf,

"Code like a Cosmo Girl" sounds great!

Chris,

The German beer is great; don't really know about the bread, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your feedback!</p>
<p>To be honest, I know virtually nothing about the general skill level of German Developers, it&#8217;s jut a saying coming from the German things which definitely are of good quality.</p>
<p>Perhaps we should call it Scandinavian Code if you consider that to be quality! <img src='http://www.robertnyman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Mattias,</p>
<p>I like the Turkey-safe concept! <img src='http://www.robertnyman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Siegfried,</p>
<p>Thanks for the background story!</p>
<p>Jrf,</p>
<p>&#8220;Code like a Cosmo Girl&#8221; sounds great!</p>
<p>Chris,</p>
<p>The German beer is great; don&#8217;t really know about the bread, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/09/09/german-code/#comment-413279</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 20:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS:Two German things that are unbeatable (in my opinion):
Beer and bread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS:Two German things that are unbeatable (in my opinion):<br />
Beer and bread.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/09/09/german-code/#comment-413273</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 20:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm German, too.
And I think there are a lot of good German things (like there are a lot of good other things from other countries).

I also know that there are developers in Germany who are able to write really good code. And I know many sites I did and I'm ashamed ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m German, too.<br />
And I think there are a lot of good German things (like there are a lot of good other things from other countries).</p>
<p>I also know that there are developers in Germany who are able to write really good code. And I know many sites I did and I&#8217;m ashamed <img src='http://www.robertnyman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Jens Meiert</title>
		<link>http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/09/09/german-code/#comment-412984</link>
		<dc:creator>Jens Meiert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 16:12:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You're kidding, Robert, right? Or, better, to what kind of code do you exactly refer to? ;) I feel that there is barely anything &lt;em&gt;less&lt;/em&gt; appropriate than (even indirectly) comparing German web designers and developers to the old masters or, say, current industrial design leads in Germany (of which some are not German anyway).

To put it another way, we all know that on average, 99.99 % of all web documents can &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; be considered "best practice" (even when measuring factors like formatting and indentation …), and Germany would certainly not excel with its 99.999 %. No matter how that sounds, it's the inconvenient truth I fear, based on unbiased idealism, and wrapped in a charming way to encourage people to try (even) harder (including this person, sure). :)

So I even though I know what you mean, I think that this is a compliment, some “rouge” that's not deserved and rather counter-productive (hell, entire Web Germany would love to use code that forces you to download a 16 TB Germany CSS “framework” when you somehow cross virtual borders). But … I've got less concerns when you'd say “Scandinavian code” which looks more appropriate already :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re kidding, Robert, right? Or, better, to what kind of code do you exactly refer to? <img src='http://www.robertnyman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> I feel that there is barely anything <em>less</em> appropriate than (even indirectly) comparing German web designers and developers to the old masters or, say, current industrial design leads in Germany (of which some are not German anyway).</p>
<p>To put it another way, we all know that on average, 99.99 % of all web documents can <em>not</em> be considered &#8220;best practice&#8221; (even when measuring factors like formatting and indentation …), and Germany would certainly not excel with its 99.999 %. No matter how that sounds, it&#8217;s the inconvenient truth I fear, based on unbiased idealism, and wrapped in a charming way to encourage people to try (even) harder (including this person, sure). <img src='http://www.robertnyman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>So I even though I know what you mean, I think that this is a compliment, some “rouge” that&#8217;s not deserved and rather counter-productive (hell, entire Web Germany would love to use code that forces you to download a 16 TB Germany <acronym title="Cascading Style Sheets">CSS</acronym> “framework” when you somehow cross virtual borders). But … I&#8217;ve got less concerns when you&#8217;d say “Scandinavian code” which looks more appropriate already <img src='http://www.robertnyman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Jrf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jrf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 15:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've never heard good code being called 'German code' before, though I have heard it being called 'girl code' before as in 'Code like a Cosmo Girl':
http://cornflakes.riverswestweb.com/code/code-like-a-cosmo-girl/

I somehow think it's quite fitting ;-)

(and yes, I'm a women/girl)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never heard good code being called &#8216;German code&#8217; before, though I have heard it being called &#8216;girl code&#8217; before as in &#8216;Code like a Cosmo Girl&#8217;:<br />
<a href="http://cornflakes.riverswestweb.com/code/code-like-a-cosmo-girl/" rel="nofollow">http://cornflakes.riverswestweb.com/code/code-like-a-cosmo-girl/</a></p>
<p>I somehow think it&#8217;s quite fitting <img src='http://www.robertnyman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>(and yes, I&#8217;m a women/girl)</p>
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		<title>By: Siegfried</title>
		<link>http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/09/09/german-code/#comment-412899</link>
		<dc:creator>Siegfried</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 14:46:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am German :)

Well, that "made in Germany" = quality, this is quite old and today nearly obsolete. It came from the US governement after the world war 2. They said that all products made in germany had to have a brand "made in Germany". This was meant to brand products of minor quality (the evil war-looser). But since german handcrafting was indeed something of quality this branding changed. Since these days "made in Germany" is something of quality. And those sayings keep on even if reality is now different. Or at least in large parts different. German handcrafting is still something of quality today. But industrial products are as good or bad as all worldwide. Well, mostly :)

I never heard this association with coding, but it sounds funny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am German <img src='http://www.robertnyman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Well, that &#8220;made in Germany&#8221; = quality, this is quite old and today nearly obsolete. It came from the US governement after the world war 2. They said that all products made in germany had to have a brand &#8220;made in Germany&#8221;. This was meant to brand products of minor quality (the evil war-looser). But since german handcrafting was indeed something of quality this branding changed. Since these days &#8220;made in Germany&#8221; is something of quality. And those sayings keep on even if reality is now different. Or at least in large parts different. German handcrafting is still something of quality today. But industrial products are as good or bad as all worldwide. Well, mostly <img src='http://www.robertnyman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I never heard this association with coding, but it sounds funny.</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian Werner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sebastian Werner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 13:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>German code = qooxdoo :) (ok, mostly German)

Robert, that made my day. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>German code = qooxdoo <img src='http://www.robertnyman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> (ok, mostly German)</p>
<p>Robert, that made my day. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Sebastian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sebastian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 13:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"German Code = Good Code" sounds really strange from a german perspective. There are a punch-bag full of reasons to call poorly written code "german".

What about Swiss Code (from simplistic swiss (graphic) design)?  
Or, to leave the nationalistic area: Zen Code, Flowing Code, ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;German Code = Good Code&#8221; sounds really strange from a german perspective. There are a punch-bag full of reasons to call poorly written code &#8220;german&#8221;.</p>
<p>What about Swiss Code (from simplistic swiss (graphic) design)?<br />
Or, to leave the nationalistic area: Zen Code, Flowing Code, &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mattias</title>
		<link>http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/09/09/german-code/#comment-412735</link>
		<dc:creator>Mattias</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 12:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yep, spagetti coding is a term I've heard about.

A marketing manager I worked with a couple of years ago mentioned that we needed to create "Turkey safe" (the country Turkey) online marketing campaigns. By doing something "Turkey safe" it should be able to be viewed in Netscape 1.x browser without Javascript and Flash plugins so it could be accessible by a goat herder in the mountain region of Turkey, connected to Internet with 2400 baud modem powered by solar cells. Almost like design by a persona.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep, spagetti coding is a term I&#8217;ve heard about.</p>
<p>A marketing manager I worked with a couple of years ago mentioned that we needed to create &#8220;Turkey safe&#8221; (the country Turkey) online marketing campaigns. By doing something &#8220;Turkey safe&#8221; it should be able to be viewed in Netscape 1.x browser without Javascript and Flash plugins so it could be accessible by a goat herder in the mountain region of Turkey, connected to Internet with 2400 baud modem powered by solar cells. Almost like design by a persona.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Hill</title>
		<link>http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/09/09/german-code/#comment-412709</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 12:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps crappy code could be described as Italian code?

(No offence to the Italians)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps crappy code could be described as Italian code?</p>
<p>(No offence to the Italians)</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Perkins</title>
		<link>http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/09/09/german-code/#comment-412704</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Perkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 12:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha ha ha excellent - my girlfriend is German and she will love this!

Up until now i didn't have a phrase to describe nice, clean code... but I do now. Thank you Robert!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha ha ha excellent - my girlfriend is German and she will love this!</p>
<p>Up until now i didn&#8217;t have a phrase to describe nice, clean code&#8230; but I do now. Thank you Robert!</p>
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