Comments on: IE 8 will use Standards Mode as the default rendering http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/03/04/ie-8-will-use-standards-mode-as-the-default-rendering/ Web development and Internet trends Thu, 20 Nov 2008 10:41:29 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Robert Nyman http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/03/04/ie-8-will-use-standards-mode-as-the-default-rendering/#comment-224814 Robert Nyman Thu, 06 Mar 2008 10:38:19 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/03/04/ie-8-will-use-standards-mode-as-the-default-rendering/#comment-224814 Biodiesel, While that is definitely a factor, it's a bit over-cynical as well. Opera's lawsuit was pretty toothless, especially when it comes to web standards, where there are no laws, and actually just recommendations. So, in my opinion, crediting Opera is not what I'd do. The credits to the IE team is for their fight with web standards, and all the things they have actually implemented so far in IE 8 is impressive. Naturally, there's a business factor, but trust me, it's is being affected by a lot more than only EU and other web browser vendor's questionable legal approaches. And yeah, it will be interesting to read the next ALA article. :-) Biodiesel,

While that is definitely a factor, it’s a bit over-cynical as well. Opera’s lawsuit was pretty toothless, especially when it comes to web standards, where there are no laws, and actually just recommendations.

So, in my opinion, crediting Opera is not what I’d do. The credits to the IE team is for their fight with web standards, and all the things they have actually implemented so far in IE 8 is impressive.
Naturally, there’s a business factor, but trust me, it’s is being affected by a lot more than only EU and other web browser vendor’s questionable legal approaches.

And yeah, it will be interesting to read the next ALA article. :-)

]]> By: David Naylor http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/03/04/ie-8-will-use-standards-mode-as-the-default-rendering/#comment-224776 David Naylor Thu, 06 Mar 2008 09:36:59 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/03/04/ie-8-will-use-standards-mode-as-the-default-rendering/#comment-224776 Yes it'll be intersting to see what ALA posts about next... :) Yes it’ll be intersting to see what ALA posts about next… :)

]]> By: Biodiesel http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/03/04/ie-8-will-use-standards-mode-as-the-default-rendering/#comment-224765 Biodiesel Thu, 06 Mar 2008 09:20:11 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/03/04/ie-8-will-use-standards-mode-as-the-default-rendering/#comment-224765 LOL @ "Credits to the IE team"... people are so blind :( In the world of business, "Interoperability Principles" can help you reduce the EU fine of 1.5 billion euros. The "thank you" should be extend to the Opera team for filing the antitrust complaint with the EU. http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/en/2007/12/13/ Also LOL @ alistapart... I guess they too embarrass to post about the IE8 update. LOL @ “Credits to the IE team”… people are so blind :(

In the world of business, “Interoperability Principles” can help you reduce the EU fine of 1.5 billion euros.

The “thank you” should be extend to the Opera team for filing the antitrust complaint with the EU.

http://www.opera.com/pressreleases/en/2007/12/13/

Also LOL @ alistapart… I guess they too embarrass to post about the IE8 update.

]]> By: Robert Nyman http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/03/04/ie-8-will-use-standards-mode-as-the-default-rendering/#comment-224101 Robert Nyman Wed, 05 Mar 2008 13:41:15 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/03/04/ie-8-will-use-standards-mode-as-the-default-rendering/#comment-224101 RobertDM, micke, Yes, it's fantastic, isn't it? :-) RobertDM, micke,

Yes, it’s fantastic, isn’t it? :-)

]]> By: micke http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/03/04/ie-8-will-use-standards-mode-as-the-default-rendering/#comment-223998 micke Wed, 05 Mar 2008 09:33:01 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/03/04/ie-8-will-use-standards-mode-as-the-default-rendering/#comment-223998 I was worried that Microsoft's "Interoperability Principles" was just empty promises and sales bullshit, but at least we're given this, and that's great news! Let's hope they fix things (i.e. follow open formats and standards) in other areas too... I was worried that Microsoft’s “Interoperability Principles” was just empty promises and sales bullshit, but at least we’re given this, and that’s great news! Let’s hope they fix things (i.e. follow open formats and standards) in other areas too…

]]> By: steven clark http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/03/04/ie-8-will-use-standards-mode-as-the-default-rendering/#comment-223964 steven clark Wed, 05 Mar 2008 08:36:58 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/03/04/ie-8-will-use-standards-mode-as-the-default-rendering/#comment-223964 [...] Update: 5 March, 2008 I think Roger Johansson’s post says about as much on the truely flabbergasted web standards front as necessary - Surprise of the year: IE8 will use Standards mode by default. And Robert Nyman’s IE 8 will use Standards Mode as the default rendering. [...] [...] Update: 5 March, 2008 I think Roger Johansson’s post says about as much on the truely flabbergasted web standards front as necessary - Surprise of the year: IE8 will use Standards mode by default. And Robert Nyman’s IE 8 will use Standards Mode as the default rendering. [...]

]]> By: Webkrauts » IE8-Standardverhalten: Microsoft ändert Meinung http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/03/04/ie-8-will-use-standards-mode-as-the-default-rendering/#comment-223423 Webkrauts » IE8-Standardverhalten: Microsoft ändert Meinung Tue, 04 Mar 2008 17:03:50 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/03/04/ie-8-will-use-standards-mode-as-the-default-rendering/#comment-223423 [...] Robert Nyman (englisch) [...] [...] Robert Nyman (englisch) [...]

]]> By: RobertDM http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/03/04/ie-8-will-use-standards-mode-as-the-default-rendering/#comment-223405 RobertDM Tue, 04 Mar 2008 16:39:18 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/03/04/ie-8-will-use-standards-mode-as-the-default-rendering/#comment-223405 Hallelujah!!! Praise the lord!!! This news has made my day. And thanks to the IE-team for listening. About the experts who defended the original views of microsoft: well, everybody makes mistakes, but serves them right for selling out on their earlier beliefs. Hallelujah!!! Praise the lord!!! This news has made my day. And thanks to the IE-team for listening.

About the experts who defended the original views of microsoft: well, everybody makes mistakes, but serves them right for selling out on their earlier beliefs.

]]> By: Robert Nyman http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/03/04/ie-8-will-use-standards-mode-as-the-default-rendering/#comment-223355 Robert Nyman Tue, 04 Mar 2008 15:30:41 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/03/04/ie-8-will-use-standards-mode-as-the-default-rendering/#comment-223355 Matthew and I had an off-site discussion, and as far as we can tell, certain Transitional DOCTYPES will deliver wuirks mode in IE 8. The choice of word "tweaked" is however probably a bit misleading, though. :-) Mats, Yes, go crazy! :-) David, Well, maybe. I've met my fair share of "old traditional" customers. i.e. the ones with solutions built a long time ago, and I think a number of them will be upset if they have to change their code to work with the new IE. However, I'm not sure they're as vocal as the Web Standards crowd with blog posts, articles etc. Hopefully, though, you're right and they will appreciate that a fix is offered. Matthew and I had an off-site discussion, and as far as we can tell, certain Transitional DOCTYPES will deliver wuirks mode in IE 8. The choice of word “tweaked” is however probably a bit misleading, though. :-)

Mats,

Yes, go crazy! :-)

David,

Well, maybe. I’ve met my fair share of “old traditional” customers. i.e. the ones with solutions built a long time ago, and I think a number of them will be upset if they have to change their code to work with the new IE. However, I’m not sure they’re as vocal as the Web Standards crowd with blog posts, articles etc.

Hopefully, though, you’re right and they will appreciate that a fix is offered.

]]> By: David Naylor http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/03/04/ie-8-will-use-standards-mode-as-the-default-rendering/#comment-223351 David Naylor Tue, 04 Mar 2008 15:21:05 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/03/04/ie-8-will-use-standards-mode-as-the-default-rendering/#comment-223351 @Matthew: I think Robert is right. @ Robert: "I’m convinced they will have to take a lot of shit from people where their web sites will break in IE 8, and will oppose the meta-tag" I doubt they will oppose the meta tag as much as the standards crowd did. I think they'll mostly be happy for the quick and simple fix. @Matthew: I think Robert is right.

@ Robert:
“I’m convinced they will have to take a lot of shit from people where their web sites will break in IE 8, and will oppose the meta-tag”

I doubt they will oppose the meta tag as much as the standards crowd did. I think they’ll mostly be happy for the quick and simple fix.

]]> By: Anders Ytterström http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/03/04/ie-8-will-use-standards-mode-as-the-default-rendering/#comment-223341 Anders Ytterström Tue, 04 Mar 2008 15:10:00 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/03/04/ie-8-will-use-standards-mode-as-the-default-rendering/#comment-223341 Thank you IE team! You rule! Let us all hope they find the best solution for the IE8 release, so that as many as possible replace IE5-7. Thank you IE team! You rule!

Let us all hope they find the best solution for the IE8 release, so that as many as possible replace IE5-7.

]]> By: Jeena Paradies http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/03/04/ie-8-will-use-standards-mode-as-the-default-rendering/#comment-223193 Jeena Paradies Tue, 04 Mar 2008 11:04:15 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/03/04/ie-8-will-use-standards-mode-as-the-default-rendering/#comment-223193 "The evil part of me" haha, that's exactly how I feel too :-D “The evil part of me” haha, that’s exactly how I feel too :-D

]]> By: Mats Lindblad http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/03/04/ie-8-will-use-standards-mode-as-the-default-rendering/#comment-223188 Mats Lindblad Tue, 04 Mar 2008 10:45:24 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/03/04/ie-8-will-use-standards-mode-as-the-default-rendering/#comment-223188 I am more than willing to help clean up MOSS, why not!? Sounds like fun ... ;) I am more than willing to help clean up MOSS, why not!?
Sounds like fun … ;)

]]> By: Matthew Pennell http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/03/04/ie-8-will-use-standards-mode-as-the-default-rendering/#comment-223169 Matthew Pennell Tue, 04 Mar 2008 10:07:30 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/03/04/ie-8-will-use-standards-mode-as-the-default-rendering/#comment-223169 <blockquote>A strict DOCTYPE will trigger IE 8 Standards Mode, and a transitional will trigger the same quirks mode as in IE 6 and IE 7</blockquote> That's not right, is it? Any valid DOCTYPE (including Transitional) will trigger Standards Mode.

A strict DOCTYPE will trigger IE 8 Standards Mode, and a transitional will trigger the same quirks mode as in IE 6 and IE 7

That’s not right, is it? Any valid DOCTYPE (including Transitional) will trigger Standards Mode.

]]> By: Stef Spijkerman http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/03/04/ie-8-will-use-standards-mode-as-the-default-rendering/#comment-223168 Stef Spijkerman Tue, 04 Mar 2008 10:06:25 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/03/04/ie-8-will-use-standards-mode-as-the-default-rendering/#comment-223168 Hopefully they will get it right this time and this isn't just a small bone thrown to keep us happy and mess up something else. Hopefully they will get it right this time and this isn’t just a small bone thrown to keep us happy and mess up something else.

]]> By: Morgan Roderick http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/03/04/ie-8-will-use-standards-mode-as-the-default-rendering/#comment-223153 Morgan Roderick Tue, 04 Mar 2008 09:37:55 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2008/03/04/ie-8-will-use-standards-mode-as-the-default-rendering/#comment-223153 This will undoubtedly be the best news this week, unless I suddenly inherit millions from an unknown uncle :-) Good move on MS to decide to stay in the game after all. This will undoubtedly be the best news this week, unless I suddenly inherit millions from an unknown uncle :-)

Good move on MS to decide to stay in the game after all.

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