Comments on: Gmail, why sucketh thee? http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/12/12/gmail-why-sucketh-thee/ Web development and Internet trends Tue, 06 Jan 2009 12:08:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Robert Nyman http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/12/12/gmail-why-sucketh-thee/#comment-165386 Robert Nyman Wed, 19 Dec 2007 21:33:19 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/12/12/gmail-why-sucketh-thee/#comment-165386 Ado, If thou say so. :-) Ado,

If thou say so. :-)

]]> By: Ado Hall http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/12/12/gmail-why-sucketh-thee/#comment-165385 Ado Hall Wed, 19 Dec 2007 21:27:56 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/12/12/gmail-why-sucketh-thee/#comment-165385 Objective case applies to a person or a thing which follows a verb. In "I follow thee", 'thee' is in the objective (or accusative) case because it is the object of the verb. In "Thou followest me", ''thou' is in the subjective (or nominative) case because it is the subject of the verb. Ado :) Objective case applies to a person or a thing which follows a verb.

In “I follow thee”, ‘thee’ is in the objective (or accusative) case because it is the object of the verb.

In “Thou followest me”, ”thou’ is in the subjective (or nominative) case because it is the subject of the verb.

Ado :)

]]> By: Ado Hall http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/12/12/gmail-why-sucketh-thee/#comment-165380 Ado Hall Wed, 19 Dec 2007 21:14:54 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/12/12/gmail-why-sucketh-thee/#comment-165380 Hi Rob, I wish I'd written just one post and that it went something like this: Great post. I've also been having serious issues with Firefox lately. BTW, take it from me, a native English speaker who sat through daily readings from the King James Bibles (which is full of 'thou' and 'thee') at school, that the correct early Modern English form of "Gmail, why do you suck?" is "Gmail, why suckest thou?" Google "Thou suckest" - you'll get a surprising number of results. Also - I love thy DOMassistant. Thou rockest! :) Ado Hall Hi Rob,

I wish I’d written just one post and that it went something like this:

Great post. I’ve also been having serious issues with Firefox lately.

BTW, take it from me, a native English speaker who sat through daily readings from the King James Bibles (which is full of ‘thou’ and ‘thee’) at school, that the correct early Modern English form of “Gmail, why do you suck?” is “Gmail, why suckest thou?”

Google “Thou suckest” - you’ll get a surprising number of results.

Also - I love thy DOMassistant. Thou rockest! :)

Ado Hall

]]> By: Robert Nyman http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/12/12/gmail-why-sucketh-thee/#comment-165359 Robert Nyman Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:29:12 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/12/12/gmail-why-sucketh-thee/#comment-165359 Ado, No, I nterpreted Gmail as an object, instead of a person, therefore using thee (which might be wrong). :-) Ado,

No, I nterpreted Gmail as an object, instead of a person, therefore using thee (which might be wrong). :-)

]]> By: Ado http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/12/12/gmail-why-sucketh-thee/#comment-165355 Ado Wed, 19 Dec 2007 20:24:58 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/12/12/gmail-why-sucketh-thee/#comment-165355 You did say that. Sorry. I must have misunderstood. So the meaning of your title was not 'Gmail, why do you suck?" but "Gmail, why should one (we) suck you?" So it's sort of related to the expression "suck it and see". Only in the case of Gmail, don't suck it and see, 'cause it's running like a dog now? Was that the idea? Gmail, thou runnest like a dog. We will not suck thee any longer. :) Ado You did say that. Sorry. I must have misunderstood.

So the meaning of your title was not ‘Gmail, why do you suck?” but “Gmail, why should one (we) suck you?”

So it’s sort of related to the expression “suck it and see”. Only in the case of Gmail, don’t suck it and see, ’cause it’s running like a dog now?

Was that the idea?

Gmail, thou runnest like a dog. We will not suck thee any longer. :)

Ado

]]> By: Robert Nyman http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/12/12/gmail-why-sucketh-thee/#comment-165054 Robert Nyman Wed, 19 Dec 2007 08:38:29 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/12/12/gmail-why-sucketh-thee/#comment-165054 Ado, Yes, I said: "...it refers to thee as the objective form...". :-) Ado,

Yes, I said: “…it refers to thee as the objective form…”. :-)

]]> By: Ado http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/12/12/gmail-why-sucketh-thee/#comment-164931 Ado Wed, 19 Dec 2007 02:34:36 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/12/12/gmail-why-sucketh-thee/#comment-164931 Whoops again. I should have written - thou rockest (he/she rocketh) also - Gmail, why suckest thou? thou is definitely not objective - Romeo, Romeo wherefore art thou... (God) how great thou art etc etc actually that article you referenced says: "Thou is the nominative form; the oblique/objective form is thee" BTW - it was your ultimate getElementsByClassName function that goaded me to create a set of utility functions for our website. I'm indebted to you. Ado Whoops again. I should have written - thou rockest (he/she rocketh)

also - Gmail, why suckest thou?

thou is definitely not objective - Romeo, Romeo wherefore art thou… (God) how great thou art etc etc

actually that article you referenced says: “Thou is the nominative form; the oblique/objective form is thee”

BTW - it was your ultimate getElementsByClassName function that goaded me to create a set of utility functions for our website. I’m indebted to you.

Ado

]]> By: Robert Nyman http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/12/12/gmail-why-sucketh-thee/#comment-164879 Robert Nyman Wed, 19 Dec 2007 00:31:11 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/12/12/gmail-why-sucketh-thee/#comment-164879 Ado, Ha ha! :-) You make me hesitate... Reading about <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thou" rel="nofollow">thou on Wikipedia</a>, it refers to thee as the objective form, which I guess makes it correct. Not sure, though, and honestly, I love that you point this out! Oh, and I'm very glad that you like DOMAssistant! Ado,

Ha ha! :-)
You make me hesitate… Reading about thou on Wikipedia, it refers to thee as the objective form, which I guess makes it correct. Not sure, though, and honestly, I love that you point this out!

Oh, and I’m very glad that you like DOMAssistant!

]]> By: Ado http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/12/12/gmail-why-sucketh-thee/#comment-164876 Ado Wed, 19 Dec 2007 00:23:55 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/12/12/gmail-why-sucketh-thee/#comment-164876 whoops, should read - I love **thy** DOMassistant. 'Thine', at least in early Modern English, was only used before vowels (eg 'thine eyes) whoops, should read - I love **thy** DOMassistant.

‘Thine’, at least in early Modern English, was only used before vowels (eg ‘thine eyes)

]]> By: Ado http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/12/12/gmail-why-sucketh-thee/#comment-164874 Ado Wed, 19 Dec 2007 00:20:37 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/12/12/gmail-why-sucketh-thee/#comment-164874 I hate to be a nitpicker (no really) about language, especially since you write English so well and it isn't even your first language. But shouldn't that be - 'Why sucketh thou?' 'Thee' is accusative case, like 'dich' in German. 'Thou' is the nominative, like 'du'. So 'Why sucketh thee?' implies there is something or someone else that is sucking Gmail. BTW - I love thine DOMassistant. Thou rocketh. I hate to be a nitpicker (no really) about language, especially since you write English so well and it isn’t even your first language. But shouldn’t that be - ‘Why sucketh thou?’ ‘Thee’ is accusative case, like ‘dich’ in German. ‘Thou’ is the nominative, like ‘du’. So ‘Why sucketh thee?’ implies there is something or someone else that is sucking Gmail.

BTW - I love thine DOMassistant. Thou rocketh.

]]> By: Robert Nyman http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/12/12/gmail-why-sucketh-thee/#comment-163760 Robert Nyman Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:10:29 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/12/12/gmail-why-sucketh-thee/#comment-163760 alvin, Congrats! Ceriak, Hmm, interesting. Jermayn, Yes, the level of contrast overall seems to have gone down. alvin,

Congrats!

Ceriak,

Hmm, interesting.

Jermayn,

Yes, the level of contrast overall seems to have gone down.

]]> By: Jermayn Parker http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/12/12/gmail-why-sucketh-thee/#comment-163635 Jermayn Parker Mon, 17 Dec 2007 04:16:26 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/12/12/gmail-why-sucketh-thee/#comment-163635 Glad im not the only one :) Im on dail up at the moment and quite often, it defaults to the html version due to all the extra aditions. I also notice that the label colouring is not noticable and does not stand out much either, poor colour contrast imo. Glad IM not the only one :)

IM on dail up at the moment and quite often, it defaults to the HTML version due to all the extra aditions.

I also notice that the label colouring is not noticable and does not stand out much either, poor colour contrast imo.

]]> By: Ceriak http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/12/12/gmail-why-sucketh-thee/#comment-163480 Ceriak Sun, 16 Dec 2007 21:41:08 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/12/12/gmail-why-sucketh-thee/#comment-163480 When I first read your post, I had no problems. Then I upgraded to Gutsy, and things went wrong… Firebug was already disabled, now I try to disable HTML Validator for mail.google.com – we’ll see. When I first read your post, I had no problems. Then I upgraded to Gutsy, and things went wrong…
Firebug was already disabled, now I try to disable HTML Validator for mail.google.com – we’ll see.

]]> By: alvin http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/12/12/gmail-why-sucketh-thee/#comment-162856 alvin Sat, 15 Dec 2007 20:43:15 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/12/12/gmail-why-sucketh-thee/#comment-162856 i had the same gmail crashing problem. It went away after i uhm re-allowed firebug to run on mail.google.com just ignore the red message about firebug, at least that's what worked for me :). i had the same gmail crashing problem.

It went away after i uhm re-allowed firebug to run on mail.google.com

just ignore the red message about firebug, at least that’s what worked for me :).

]]> By: Robert Nyman http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/12/12/gmail-why-sucketh-thee/#comment-162301 Robert Nyman Fri, 14 Dec 2007 21:41:18 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/12/12/gmail-why-sucketh-thee/#comment-162301 sachmo, Interesting! Thanks for the tip! sachmo,

Interesting! Thanks for the tip!

]]> By: sachmo http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/12/12/gmail-why-sucketh-thee/#comment-162279 sachmo Fri, 14 Dec 2007 20:57:41 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/12/12/gmail-why-sucketh-thee/#comment-162279 Hi Robert, I just read somewhere that one of the problematic extensions was the HTML Validator, causing Gmail to hang and crashing Firefox. Since I disabled it for mail.google.com things seem to work better. Hi Robert,
I just read somewhere that one of the problematic extensions was the HTML Validator, causing Gmail to hang and crashing Firefox. Since I disabled it for mail.google.com things seem to work better.

]]> By: peder http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/12/12/gmail-why-sucketh-thee/#comment-161912 peder Fri, 14 Dec 2007 08:35:00 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/12/12/gmail-why-sucketh-thee/#comment-161912 note: you can still use the old version! it's a little bit of a pain, but sign up for Google Apps, point mail.yourdomain.xx to gmails CNAME and voila - an old version of gmail! they are working on renewing this into the "improved" version as well, but if you're lucky they might straighten out the bugs before this happens. note: you can still use the old version! it’s a little bit of a pain, but sign up for Google Apps, point mail.yourdomain.xx to gmails CNAME and voila - an old version of gmail!

they are working on renewing this into the “improved” version as well, but if you’re lucky they might straighten out the bugs before this happens.

]]> By: NICCAI http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/12/12/gmail-why-sucketh-thee/#comment-161780 NICCAI Fri, 14 Dec 2007 00:01:44 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/12/12/gmail-why-sucketh-thee/#comment-161780 There WAS a lack of focus bug on the message area that was killing me. Think it's fixed... There WAS a lack of focus bug on the message area that was killing me. Think it’s fixed…

]]> By: Robert Nyman http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/12/12/gmail-why-sucketh-thee/#comment-161458 Robert Nyman Thu, 13 Dec 2007 13:15:28 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/12/12/gmail-why-sucketh-thee/#comment-161458 bruce, If it crashes here, it just <em>has</em> to be your fault. :-) Seriously, though, that implies that the problem just might lie in Firefox and not Gmail. But how come Gmail is basically the only web site having the problems then (except for you, that is). Eugene, I only use one account, so for i don't think it's related. bruce,

If it crashes here, it just has to be your fault. :-)
Seriously, though, that implies that the problem just might lie in Firefox and not Gmail. But how come Gmail is basically the only web site having the problems then (except for you, that is).

Eugene,

I only use one account, so for i don’t think it’s related.

]]> By: Eugene http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/12/12/gmail-why-sucketh-thee/#comment-161442 Eugene Thu, 13 Dec 2007 12:48:23 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/12/12/gmail-why-sucketh-thee/#comment-161442 Yes, Gmail is the only site that tackles my FireFox too. Coincidence.... but Gmail started choking when I started using an extra Gmail account. Anyone have that same experience or is it just me? I still think it's got something to do with the add-ons (maybe it's the <a href="http://www.nexgenmedia.net/extensions/" title="Gmail Notified Add on for Firefox" rel="nofollow">Gmail notifier add on</a>, don't know). But I expect better from Gmail, since it's the only web site causing troubles, I simply conclude it's Gmail :) Yes, Gmail is the only site that tackles my FireFox too. Coincidence…. but Gmail started choking when I started using an extra Gmail account. Anyone have that same experience or is it just me?

I still think it’s got something to do with the add-ons (maybe it’s the Gmail notifier add on, don’t know). But I expect better from Gmail, since it’s the only web site causing troubles, I simply conclude it’s Gmail :)

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