Comments on: Installing Mac OS X Leopard - things to consider and eventual problems http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/11/07/installing-mac-os-x-leopard-things-to-consider-and-eventual-problems/ Web development and Internet trends Tue, 06 Jan 2009 05:18:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Saurabh http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/11/07/installing-mac-os-x-leopard-things-to-consider-and-eventual-problems/#comment-242526 Saurabh Fri, 04 Apr 2008 12:45:07 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/11/07/installing-mac-os-x-leopard-things-to-consider-and-eventual-problems/#comment-242526 Try sending a PPT file to someone else and when you get it back, just try opening the same in MS Powerpoint. It first says that the file is read-only, then throws the error as mentioned at http://www.yagci.com/nasty-microsoft-surprise-the-file-system-is-inconsistent/ The screen becomes black, Mac goes to sleep!! File size becomes zero kb! The only way to recover it then is to restart the Mac, find the recovered file from Trash and then work on it! Do let me know if anyone is able to find a fix for it! This is causing much trouble and unnecessary time wastage as well. Try sending a PPT file to someone else and when you get it back, just try opening the same in MS Powerpoint. It first says that the file is read-only, then throws the error as mentioned at http://www.yagci.com/nasty-microsoft-surprise-the-file-system-is-inconsistent/ The screen becomes black, Mac goes to sleep!! File size becomes zero KB! The only way to recover it then is to restart the Mac, find the recovered file from Trash and then work on it! Do let me know if anyone is able to find a fix for it! This is causing much trouble and unnecessary time wastage as well.

]]> By: Robert Nyman http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/11/07/installing-mac-os-x-leopard-things-to-consider-and-eventual-problems/#comment-182198 Robert Nyman Fri, 11 Jan 2008 08:16:54 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/11/07/installing-mac-os-x-leopard-things-to-consider-and-eventual-problems/#comment-182198 Jonse, I'm glad to hear that things have gone good for you! Jonse,

I’m glad to hear that things have gone good for you!

]]> By: Jonsey http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/11/07/installing-mac-os-x-leopard-things-to-consider-and-eventual-problems/#comment-181505 Jonsey Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:35:32 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/11/07/installing-mac-os-x-leopard-things-to-consider-and-eventual-problems/#comment-181505 Hi Rob, Wow, what can I say... It was the smoothest OS upgrade I have ever undertaken... As a switcher about 12 months ago, I can honestly say that I think Apple are great, and their new OS is pretty good. Some nice new features, but I must admit that I preferred the old version of Front Row. It had a sexier feel to it... you know, the way that the Desktop faded into the background n stuff. Anyway; Just thought I would let you know how things went. I had no issues with third party software, no issues with any of my applications (Office 2004 for Mac) etc. and no loss of data in any way what so ever. It took approx. 1hr or so to completely replace Tiger. I have not experienced one crash or error and I completed the upgrade a couple of weeks ago. Thanks again for the website; it did help me prepare for the multitude of possible issues that other people have unfortunately had the misfortune to experience. Regards Jonsey Hi Rob,

Wow, what can I say… It was the smoothest OS upgrade I have ever undertaken… As a switcher about 12 months ago, I can honestly say that I think Apple are great, and their new OS is pretty good. Some nice new features, but I must admit that I preferred the old version of Front Row. It had a sexier feel to it… you know, the way that the Desktop faded into the background n stuff.

Anyway; Just thought I would let you know how things went. I had no issues with third party software, no issues with any of my applications (Office 2004 for Mac) etc. and no loss of data in any way what so ever. It took approx. 1hr or so to completely replace Tiger.

I have not experienced one crash or error and I completed the upgrade a couple of weeks ago.

Thanks again for the website; it did help me prepare for the multitude of possible issues that other people have unfortunately had the misfortune to experience.

Regards
Jonsey

]]> By: Robert Nyman http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/11/07/installing-mac-os-x-leopard-things-to-consider-and-eventual-problems/#comment-175941 Robert Nyman Fri, 04 Jan 2008 19:53:06 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/11/07/installing-mac-os-x-leopard-things-to-consider-and-eventual-problems/#comment-175941 eljay, Thanks for sharing. How did you make the upgrade? Using the Upgrade option, Archive and Install or clean? Because if you run into problems with one version, it seems rather that a clean install should remove any potential issues. Sure, you need to reinstall your applications, but things should at least work from there on. Either way you do it, good luck! eljay,

Thanks for sharing. How did you make the upgrade? Using the Upgrade option, Archive and Install or clean? Because if you run into problems with one version, it seems rather that a clean install should remove any potential issues.

Sure, you need to reinstall your applications, but things should at least work from there on. Either way you do it, good luck!

]]> By: eljay http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/11/07/installing-mac-os-x-leopard-things-to-consider-and-eventual-problems/#comment-173924 eljay Tue, 01 Jan 2008 23:56:27 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/11/07/installing-mac-os-x-leopard-things-to-consider-and-eventual-problems/#comment-173924 Recently bought the new 24" aluminium iMac (2.4Ghz) which came with 10.4.10. Ran that for about a month just fine before upgrading to 10.5. BIG Mistake. Ever since then, there have beeen a plethora of issues too numerous to mention, both with the os itself and with 3rd party apps. I did some calculations & figured out I have lost 30% productivity since I upgraded to this P.O.S. Apple refers to as an operating system. I was a great fan of apple, having owned & worked on their systems for years, but for me this release has proven to be so bug ridden, & from other user reports, so inconsistent to be not worth the grief. I am, at this very moment, downgrading to 10.4.10 again, such is the uselessness of this release to me. Now, I am a freelancer working in graphics & image retouching, & I buy macs because of their stability, functionality & relatively hassle free operation. With 10.5 I've spent a significant amount of my billable time troubleshooting this wretched release - prehaps I should bill Apple for that lost time! I don't care about the new eye candy & I know enough about Apples hype machine to read between the lines, but this time they have really put their foot in it, rushing this obviously inconsistent release to market & not only frustrating many loyal users but also damaging their own credibility. I'm afraid, for me, Apple is teetering on the form over function line these days, & although (despite this current experience) I prefer tha apple platform, it is NOT the only viable option out these. Apologies to those who see this as a rant, but for a major corporation to offer such an inconsistent & bug-ridden product to its customer base with such fanfare is just not right, almost bordering on arrogance. Go home & do it properly Apple, & don't make a noise until you genuinely have something to make a noise about. Thanks for reading Eljay. Recently bought the new 24″ aluminium iMac (2.4Ghz) which came with 10.4.10. Ran that for about a month just fine before upgrading to 10.5. BIG Mistake. Ever since then, there have beeen a plethora of issues too numerous to mention, both with the os itself and with 3rd party apps. I did some calculations & figured out I have lost 30% productivity since I upgraded to this P.O.S. Apple refers to as an operating system. I was a great fan of apple, having owned & worked on their systems for years, but for me this release has proven to be so bug ridden, & from other user reports, so inconsistent to be not worth the grief. I am, at this very moment, downgrading to 10.4.10 again, such is the uselessness of this release to me. Now, I am a freelancer working in graphics & image retouching, & I buy macs because of their stability, functionality & relatively hassle free operation. With 10.5 I’ve spent a significant amount of my billable time troubleshooting this wretched release - prehaps I should bill Apple for that lost time!
I don’t care about the new eye candy & I know enough about Apples hype machine to read between the lines, but this time they have really put their foot in it, rushing this obviously inconsistent release to market & not only frustrating many loyal users but also damaging their own credibility. I’m afraid, for me, Apple is teetering on the form over function line these days, & although (despite this current experience) I prefer tha apple platform, it is NOT the only viable option out these.
Apologies to those who see this as a rant, but for a major corporation to offer such an inconsistent & bug-ridden product to its customer base with such fanfare is just not right, almost bordering on arrogance. Go home & do it properly Apple, & don’t make a noise until you genuinely have something to make a noise about.

Thanks for reading
Eljay.

]]> By: Robert Nyman http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/11/07/installing-mac-os-x-leopard-things-to-consider-and-eventual-problems/#comment-171733 Robert Nyman Sat, 29 Dec 2007 17:32:24 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/11/07/installing-mac-os-x-leopard-things-to-consider-and-eventual-problems/#comment-171733 Jonsey, Thanks for your kind words! Let me know how it goes, and if anything goes wrong, I hope I can point you in the right direction. Good luck! Jonsey,

Thanks for your kind words!
Let me know how it goes, and if anything goes wrong, I hope I can point you in the right direction. Good luck!

]]> By: Jonsey http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/11/07/installing-mac-os-x-leopard-things-to-consider-and-eventual-problems/#comment-170324 Jonsey Thu, 27 Dec 2007 16:49:38 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/11/07/installing-mac-os-x-leopard-things-to-consider-and-eventual-problems/#comment-170324 Hi Robert, This series of blogs has been a great help to me. Thank you for starting it off. I have just received my copy of Leopard for my Intel iMac, which I bought back in January 2007, so it is the generation before the new silver iMacs. I have been reading a lot about issues with upgrading to Leopard, but it seems to me that the issues will depend on what software and configurations each person has. I have been working with computers for long enough to know that OS upgrades, no matter if they be for M$, Apple, Novell, UNIX or Linux... they can all be a complete pain in the ass. Well, I will be upgrading to Leopard over the coming weekend, so I will let you know how well / badly it all went. Thanks again for the site... great resource. ;-) Hi Robert,

This series of blogs has been a great help to me. Thank you for starting it off. I have just received my copy of Leopard for my Intel iMac, which I bought back in January 2007, so it is the generation before the new silver iMacs.

I have been reading a lot about issues with upgrading to Leopard, but it seems to me that the issues will depend on what software and configurations each person has.

I have been working with computers for long enough to know that OS upgrades, no matter if they be for M$, Apple, Novell, UNIX or Linux… they can all be a complete pain in the ass.

Well, I will be upgrading to Leopard over the coming weekend, so I will let you know how well / badly it all went.

Thanks again for the site… great resource.

;-)

]]> By: Robert Nyman http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/11/07/installing-mac-os-x-leopard-things-to-consider-and-eventual-problems/#comment-165055 Robert Nyman Wed, 19 Dec 2007 08:42:56 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/11/07/installing-mac-os-x-leopard-things-to-consider-and-eventual-problems/#comment-165055 Saffron, I'm very sorry, but I don't know how to address that. We use Entourage at work, but then all setting is stored in a central Exchange server, so no information is saved directly on the computer. Saffron,

I’m very sorry, but I don’t know how to address that. We use Entourage at work, but then all setting is stored in a central Exchange server, so no information is saved directly on the computer.

]]> By: Saffron Clark http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/11/07/installing-mac-os-x-leopard-things-to-consider-and-eventual-problems/#comment-164937 Saffron Clark Wed, 19 Dec 2007 02:57:42 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/11/07/installing-mac-os-x-leopard-things-to-consider-and-eventual-problems/#comment-164937 Hi there, hoping you can help. I've just installed Leopard and although it's left my programs - it has taken away any settings within them and I've had to re-setup my computers name, account, email accounts, internet etc. Mainly I have lost all of my Entourage settings - all email, contacts, projects etc. All vital information that I STUPIDLY didn't backup even though I was concerned. But I did searches and read in multiple places online and on the disc that it will leave all that information alone. ARGH! Can you please, please, please help me? I'm hoping so. Thank you and I look forward to hearing from you. Hi there, hoping you can help. I’ve just installed Leopard and although it’s left my programs - it has taken away any settings within them and I’ve had to re-setup my computers name, account, email accounts, internet etc. Mainly I have lost all of my Entourage settings - all email, contacts, projects etc. All vital information that I STUPIDLY didn’t backup even though I was concerned. But I did searches and read in multiple places online and on the disc that it will leave all that information alone. ARGH! Can you please, please, please help me? I’m hoping so. Thank you and I look forward to hearing from you.

]]> By: Robert Nyman http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/11/07/installing-mac-os-x-leopard-things-to-consider-and-eventual-problems/#comment-164863 Robert Nyman Tue, 18 Dec 2007 23:37:30 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/11/07/installing-mac-os-x-leopard-things-to-consider-and-eventual-problems/#comment-164863 ryderda, Thanks for the info! ryderda,

Thanks for the info!

]]> By: ryderda http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/11/07/installing-mac-os-x-leopard-things-to-consider-and-eventual-problems/#comment-164810 ryderda Tue, 18 Dec 2007 20:29:07 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/11/07/installing-mac-os-x-leopard-things-to-consider-and-eventual-problems/#comment-164810 I "upgraded" to Leopard on a 1 GHz PPC 2004 iBook. My machine is now very, very unhappy. There's very little software that runs. GarageBand won't, GearBox won't, AppleWorks won't -- and what does run runs like its wading though a vat of peanut butter. So I have started the process to downgrade back to Tiger. My understanding after speaking with a local Mac tech is this is possible but not without issues. What you have to do is perform an "Archive and Install" using the original Tiger DVD (or the install disks that came with your machine), then use Software Update to upgrade the versions of everything to the last supported ones. However, many apps, in particular Safari, won't run after this, and so must be reinstalled (for me, I am fortunate to still have a copy of IE that works). In fact, my understanding is that virtually all apps will need reinstalling. There will also be issues with User accounts; a new one will have to be created with all its associated addresses and the like. So here's some critical "to dos" before you start: 1) List your apps, and insure you have versions available for each on disk to re-install; 2) Write down your user and internect connection information in case it needs resetting; 3) Back up your data in case of corruption. Now, an Archive and Install will work, but an Erase and Install is better -- provided EVERYTHING is backed up to restore afterwards. I “upgraded” to Leopard on a 1 GHz PPC 2004 iBook. My machine is now very, very unhappy. There’s very little software that runs. GarageBand won’t, GearBox won’t, AppleWorks won’t — and what does run runs like its wading though a vat of peanut butter. So I have started the process to downgrade back to Tiger.

My understanding after speaking with a local Mac tech is this is possible but not without issues. What you have to do is perform an “Archive and Install” using the original Tiger DVD (or the install disks that came with your machine), then use Software Update to upgrade the versions of everything to the last supported ones.

However, many apps, in particular Safari, won’t run after this, and so must be reinstalled (for me, I am fortunate to still have a copy of IE that works). In fact, my understanding is that virtually all apps will need reinstalling. There will also be issues with User accounts; a new one will have to be created with all its associated addresses and the like. So here’s some critical “to dos” before you start:

1) List your apps, and insure you have versions available for each on disk to re-install;
2) Write down your user and internect connection information in case it needs resetting;
3) Back up your data in case of corruption.

Now, an Archive and Install will work, but an Erase and Install is better — provided EVERYTHING is backed up to restore afterwards.

]]> By: Robert Nyman http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/11/07/installing-mac-os-x-leopard-things-to-consider-and-eventual-problems/#comment-159052 Robert Nyman Mon, 10 Dec 2007 09:41:15 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/11/07/installing-mac-os-x-leopard-things-to-consider-and-eventual-problems/#comment-159052 danish, No idea, sorry. It works for me. Maybe try and reinstall it? drtommunyon, That sounds terrible. Unfortunately I have no idea how to solve it. danish,

No idea, sorry. It works for me. Maybe try and reinstall it?

drtommunyon,

That sounds terrible. Unfortunately I have no idea how to solve it.

]]> By: drtommunyon http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/11/07/installing-mac-os-x-leopard-things-to-consider-and-eventual-problems/#comment-158868 drtommunyon Mon, 10 Dec 2007 01:17:50 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/11/07/installing-mac-os-x-leopard-things-to-consider-and-eventual-problems/#comment-158868 We just tried overriding Leopard by reinstalling Tiger and now we get a message that the software can't be installed and we get get the disc out of the computer. It is in an endless loop of trying to install and deciding it can't when ever we turn it off and on again. HELP! Tom We just tried overriding Leopard by reinstalling Tiger and now we get a message that the software can’t be installed and we get get the disc out of the computer. It is in an endless loop of trying to install and deciding it can’t when ever we turn it off and on again. HELP!
Tom

]]> By: danish http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/11/07/installing-mac-os-x-leopard-things-to-consider-and-eventual-problems/#comment-158136 danish Sat, 08 Dec 2007 20:09:08 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/11/07/installing-mac-os-x-leopard-things-to-consider-and-eventual-problems/#comment-158136 hi. Please help me anybody. i just upgraded to leopard and now indesign cs3 doesn´t work. I am not a mac expert and have know idea what is wrong. the only thing I know is that I will probably get an F on my project (i am working on a big design project). So please if anybody know what is wrong, please help. hh hi.

Please help me anybody.

i just upgraded to leopard and now indesign cs3 doesn´t work. I am not a mac expert and have know idea what is wrong. the only thing I know is that I will probably get an F on my project (i am working on a big design project). So please if anybody know what is wrong, please help.

hh

]]> By: Robert Nyman http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/11/07/installing-mac-os-x-leopard-things-to-consider-and-eventual-problems/#comment-154851 Robert Nyman Sun, 02 Dec 2007 22:25:20 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/11/07/installing-mac-os-x-leopard-things-to-consider-and-eventual-problems/#comment-154851 Dan, dave, Mr. Nobody, I'm sorry to hear about your experiences, and unfortunately I can't help you out. If anyone can, please write a comment with advice. Dan, dave, Mr. Nobody,

I’m sorry to hear about your experiences, and unfortunately I can’t help you out. If anyone can, please write a comment with advice.

]]> By: Mr. Nobody http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/11/07/installing-mac-os-x-leopard-things-to-consider-and-eventual-problems/#comment-154519 Mr. Nobody Sun, 02 Dec 2007 05:02:44 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/11/07/installing-mac-os-x-leopard-things-to-consider-and-eventual-problems/#comment-154519 My LAN worked find with Tiger, but with Leopard it doesn't work at all. I too am tearing my hair out. I got it to work for half a day since putting Leopard on my G4. Then it mysteriously disappeared, apparently forever. I also found that it doesn't work with Line6 server which is a necessary program for me. I also had all kinds of password lost and keychains that needed to be recreated. This is not worth the effort when you had a perfect, trouble free computer. Putting on Leopard was a mistake. I agree with the person above who said it is crap. I have had less problems with my wife's Vista computer than with Leopard. My LAN worked find with Tiger, but with Leopard it doesn’t work at all. I too am tearing my hair out. I got it to work for half a day since putting Leopard on my G4. Then it mysteriously disappeared, apparently forever. I also found that it doesn’t work with Line6 server which is a necessary program for me. I also had all kinds of password lost and keychains that needed to be recreated. This is not worth the effort when you had a perfect, trouble free computer. Putting on Leopard was a mistake. I agree with the person above who said it is crap. I have had less problems with my wife’s Vista computer than with Leopard.

]]> By: dave http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/11/07/installing-mac-os-x-leopard-things-to-consider-and-eventual-problems/#comment-153060 dave Fri, 30 Nov 2007 06:30:17 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/11/07/installing-mac-os-x-leopard-things-to-consider-and-eventual-problems/#comment-153060 Just got Leopard today and have spent 4 hours trying to get it installed. My computer, an MacBook Pro will not boot and has just given me the first ever problem it has ever had! What the hell is up? I have restarted the process at least 4 times and it takes maybe 30-45 minutes each time then when it tries to restart it just gives me the round and round timer which I have let run for up to 1 to 2 hours. HELP! Just got Leopard today and have spent 4 hours trying to get it installed. My computer, an MacBook Pro will not boot and has just given me the first ever problem it has ever had! What the hell is up? I have restarted the process at least 4 times and it takes maybe 30-45 minutes each time then when it tries to restart it just gives me the round and round timer which I have let run for up to 1 to 2 hours. HELP!

]]> By: Dan Monkey! http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/11/07/installing-mac-os-x-leopard-things-to-consider-and-eventual-problems/#comment-148123 Dan Monkey! Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:03:56 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/11/07/installing-mac-os-x-leopard-things-to-consider-and-eventual-problems/#comment-148123 Hmmm...I'm having trouble with Leopard, too...and also want to go back to Tiger. My girlfriend did it on one of her work machines - when she comes back from her holiday, I shall ask her what she did and let you all know. However, if anyone wants to try it, it might be a case of just sticking in the old OSX Tiger disc in the machine, and starting the whole thing again. I'm giving serious thoughts to doing that, since most of my stuff is on an external hard drive, and there's little on the computer for me to lose. Hmmm…I’m having trouble with Leopard, too…and also want to go back to Tiger. My girlfriend did it on one of her work machines - when she comes back from her holiday, I shall ask her what she did and let you all know.

However, if anyone wants to try it, it might be a case of just sticking in the old OSX Tiger disc in the machine, and starting the whole thing again. I’m giving serious thoughts to doing that, since most of my stuff is on an external hard drive, and there’s little on the computer for me to lose.

]]> By: Robert Nyman http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/11/07/installing-mac-os-x-leopard-things-to-consider-and-eventual-problems/#comment-146441 Robert Nyman Wed, 21 Nov 2007 08:51:51 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/11/07/installing-mac-os-x-leopard-things-to-consider-and-eventual-problems/#comment-146441 Amanda, Jim, I'm sorry, but I haven't heard anything about how to do that. Amanda, Jim,

I’m sorry, but I haven’t heard anything about how to do that.

]]> By: Jim Hueske http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/11/07/installing-mac-os-x-leopard-things-to-consider-and-eventual-problems/#comment-145932 Jim Hueske Tue, 20 Nov 2007 15:57:56 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/11/07/installing-mac-os-x-leopard-things-to-consider-and-eventual-problems/#comment-145932 I installed Leopard several weeks ago, and now I can not get on our LAN here at work. Our IT guys are tearing their hair out, and have not been able to get me hooked up. How do I uninstall Leopard and get back to Tiger? Thanks Jim I installed Leopard several weeks ago, and now I can not get on our LAN here at work. Our IT guys are tearing their hair out, and have not been able to get me hooked up. How do I uninstall Leopard and get back to Tiger?
Thanks
Jim

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