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		<title>By: Ken</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 23:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a downloader and have been since newsgroups were the start of everything.  I believe I should have the right to test products whether that be music, software, movies or what have you.  If I like it I buy it.  Why would I want to buy something like software knowing that in two months there will be another version bigger and better.  Maybe renting software would be the answer who knows.  I believe in FTA as well even though I still pay for regular sattelite on top of it.  We get priced to death on everything and we are sick of it.  Cheers to the downloaders as I will always get what I can for free and only pay for the stuff that's worth it.

Hail to screwing the man because he's screws us all the time</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a downloader and have been since newsgroups were the start of everything.  I believe I should have the right to test products whether that be music, software, movies or what have you.  If I like it I buy it.  Why would I want to buy something like software knowing that in two months there will be another version bigger and better.  Maybe renting software would be the answer who knows.  I believe in FTA as well even though I still pay for regular sattelite on top of it.  We get priced to death on everything and we are sick of it.  Cheers to the downloaders as I will always get what I can for free and only pay for the stuff that&#8217;s worth it.</p>
<p>Hail to screwing the man because he&#8217;s screws us all the time</p>
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		<title>By: Higher prices and stricter DRM will encourage illegal downloading - Robert&#8217;s talk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Higher prices and stricter DRM will encourage illegal downloading - Robert&#8217;s talk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:41:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] People will always download movies and music - hereâ€™s how to address it   Posted in Apple/Mac, Technology, Movies, Music &#124; Share your thoughts [...]</description>
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		<title>By: dawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>dawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2007 02:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i need  help on how to get a free program to download and brum free movies plzzzzz  if any one can hepl me</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i need  help on how to get a free program to download and brum free movies plzzzzz  if any one can hepl me</p>
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		<title>By: Testing Joost, the Internet TV service - Robert&#8217;s talk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Testing Joost, the Internet TV service - Robert&#8217;s talk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 08:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] People will always download movies and music - hereâ€™s how to address it   Posted in Technology, Reviews/tests [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mark&#8217;s (we)Blog &#187; Could this be the beginning of the end for DRM?</title>
		<link>http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/03/27/people-will-always-download-movies-and-music-heres-how-to-address-it/#comment-46751</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark&#8217;s (we)Blog &#187; Could this be the beginning of the end for DRM?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 23:32:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] that content producers can protect their investments). I disagree with Alex on this and agree with Robert Nyman&#8217;s argument as to why using DRM to protect content is fundamentally flawed. Consequently I was very pleased to hear that EMI&#8217;s digital catalogue will be available at [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] that content producers can protect their investments). I disagree with Alex on this and agree with Robert Nyman&#8217;s argument as to why using DRM to protect content is fundamentally flawed. Consequently I was very pleased to hear that EMI&#8217;s digital catalogue will be available at [...]</p>
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		<title>By: free music &#187; People will always download movies and music - hereâ€™s how to &#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>free music &#187; People will always download movies and music - hereâ€™s how to &#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 15:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Medialoper Review Labs wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptIn the times we live in, itâ€™sa fact that a lot of people download music and movies from the web through P2P or BitTorrent. The music and movie industries naturally see this as a threat and try to stifle it, but it seems these attempts &#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Medialoper Review Labs wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptIn the times we live in, itâ€™sa fact that a lot of people download music and movies from the web through <acronym title="Peer To Peer">P2P</acronym> or BitTorrent. The music and movie industries naturally see this as a threat and try to stifle it, but it seems these attempts &#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: sharon wortman farnham</title>
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		<dc:creator>sharon wortman farnham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 18:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't down load music I like to blog to much for that ,it would take me away from blogging . I think people want more instant gradification and a lot of people well not get paid as much money in certain proffesions as they use to get paid . This is a transition period and new rules well be made . I really don't know how things well work out in the future but God takes care of the future God always takes care of the future .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t down load music I like to blog to much for that ,it would take me away from blogging . I think people want more instant gradification and a lot of people well not get paid as much money in certain proffesions as they use to get paid . This is a transition period and new rules well be made . I really don&#8217;t know how things well work out in the future but God takes care of the future God always takes care of the future .</p>
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		<title>By: Ole Hansen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ole Hansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 09:19:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree very much with comparing unauthorized copying to stealing. After all there is one very important difference - theft concerns physical objects.

A copyright owner &lt;b&gt;does not lose&lt;/b&gt; his work when it is copied. A copyright owner &lt;b&gt;can still sell&lt;/b&gt; his work, if someone has copied it. In fact, the copyright owner may in some cases have suffered &lt;b&gt;no loss at all&lt;/b&gt; even if his work is copied.

This is quite contrary to theft where the rightful owner &lt;b&gt;does&lt;/b&gt; lose his property, is &lt;b&gt;unable to sell&lt;/b&gt; it, and suffers a very &lt;b&gt;tangible loss&lt;/b&gt;.

This does not mean that I condone unauthorized copying of music, movies or software. Quite the contrary. But please don't use the corporate &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak" rel="nofollow"&gt;Newspeak&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree very much with comparing unauthorized copying to stealing. After all there is one very important difference - theft concerns physical objects.</p>
<p>A copyright owner <b>does not lose</b> his work when it is copied. A copyright owner <b>can still sell</b> his work, if someone has copied it. In fact, the copyright owner may in some cases have suffered <b>no loss at all</b> even if his work is copied.</p>
<p>This is quite contrary to theft where the rightful owner <b>does</b> lose his property, is <b>unable to sell</b> it, and suffers a very <b>tangible loss</b>.</p>
<p>This does not mean that I condone unauthorized copying of music, movies or software. Quite the contrary. But please don&#8217;t use the corporate <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak" rel="nofollow">Newspeak</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Nyman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Nyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comments. And well, yes, there was a huge uproar about video, cassettes etc at the time, but it worked out fine, and the business didn't go down in flames, They just had to adapt, and now it is time, and it's more importantly than ever!

Sweden also has a price added-on to cassettes, CDs, DVDs etc to try to cover up for pirated versions. But seriously, how fair and modern is that approach? How many people who download music and/or movies will burn it on a CD/DVD?

Music will be transferred right to the MP3 player and movies will be saved on a computer's hard drive, or a hard-drive media center at home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comments. And well, yes, there was a huge uproar about video, cassettes etc at the time, but it worked out fine, and the business didn&#8217;t go down in flames, They just had to adapt, and now it is time, and it&#8217;s more importantly than ever!</p>
<p>Sweden also has a price added-on to cassettes, CDs, DVDs etc to try to cover up for pirated versions. But seriously, how fair and modern is that approach? How many people who download music and/or movies will burn it on a <acronym title="Compact Disk">CD</acronym>/DVD?</p>
<p>Music will be transferred right to the <acronym title="MPEG Layer 3 - a common audio codec for music files">MP3</acronym> player and movies will be saved on a computer&#8217;s hard drive, or a hard-drive media center at home.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthijs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthijs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 08:25:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My experience is that I buy more cd's now that it's easier to download and listen to them first. Of course, I won't buy all. But I do buy the good ones. CD's I otherwise never would have bought. Heck, from artists I've never heard about before I stumbled upon them in some download.

About DRM: I'm just not going to buy a (quite expensive anyway) DVD if I can't be certain it will play in my DVD player, car-dvd-player, notebook player or a player at my friend's house. 

Or if I can't make a backup copy. Don't know about the cities you live in, but were I live it's not a good idea to leave original CD/DVDs in your car (even hidden in the trunk).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My experience is that I buy more <acronym title="Compact Disk">CD</acronym>&#8217;s now that it&#8217;s easier to download and listen to them first. Of course, I won&#8217;t buy all. But I do buy the good ones. <acronym title="Compact Disk">CD</acronym>&#8217;s I otherwise never would have bought. Heck, from artists I&#8217;ve never heard about before I stumbled upon them in some download.</p>
<p>About DRM: I&#8217;m just not going to buy a (quite expensive anyway) <acronym title="Digital Video Disc">DVD</acronym> if I can&#8217;t be certain it will play in my <acronym title="Digital Video Disc">DVD</acronym> player, car-<acronym title="Digital Video Disc">DVD</acronym>-player, notebook player or a player at my friend&#8217;s house. </p>
<p>Or if I can&#8217;t make a backup copy. Don&#8217;t know about the cities you live in, but were I live it&#8217;s not a good idea to leave original <acronym title="Compact Disk">CD</acronym>/DVDs in your car (even hidden in the trunk).</p>
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		<title>By: Tanny O'Haley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tanny O'Haley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 22:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that cost is the first issue. High prices make it more tempting to download than to buy. Lower prices and make your profit on volume. 

Take a page from tele-marketers and offer something "extra" for those who buy. When you buy an exercise machine because of an info-mercial they always give you something extra as an incentive to buy, like a cookbook. Add something that you can't download in the packaging to make it worthwhile to buy.

Finally, work on a campaign to change attitudes about stealing, and it is stealing no matter how it's rationalized. The golden rule; "do unto others as you would have them do to you", "honesty is the best policy", "if you were the owner/song writer/band/movie producer... would you want this to happen to you?". I'm sure you can think of more. If you don't want to sponsor the message in advertisements, sponsor the message in movie and TV scripts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that cost is the first issue. High prices make it more tempting to download than to buy. Lower prices and make your profit on volume. </p>
<p>Take a page from tele-marketers and offer something &#8220;extra&#8221; for those who buy. When you buy an exercise machine because of an info-mercial they always give you something extra as an incentive to buy, like a cookbook. Add something that you can&#8217;t download in the packaging to make it worthwhile to buy.</p>
<p>Finally, work on a campaign to change attitudes about stealing, and it is stealing no matter how it&#8217;s rationalized. The golden rule; &#8220;do unto others as you would have them do to you&#8221;, &#8220;honesty is the best policy&#8221;, &#8220;if you were the owner/song writer/band/movie producer&#8230; would you want this to happen to you?&#8221;. I&#8217;m sure you can think of more. If you don&#8217;t want to sponsor the message in advertisements, sponsor the message in movie and TV scripts.</p>
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		<title>By: NICCAI</title>
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		<dc:creator>NICCAI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 21:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Robert.  I think the current mentality is costing the industry far more money than copying.  They need to mass deliver and take advantage of economies of scale.  They need to think beyond the United States.  Living in Vancouver, Canada, I can't understand the current limitations (and I realize there are greater laws that might affect delivery - such as language rights, etc).  With that said, the mentality is so wrong.  If I want to, I should be able to buy now - don't turn me away.  Both the industry and governments need to realize the importance of this.  I own a TiVo, but they wouldn't ship it to Canada, so I had it sent to the US.  Now, I want to take advantage of Amazon Unbox and download a tv show I missed (yes, even with TiVo :D ), but I'm not allowed, because I am not in the US (which if I was I could also do for free by simpy visiting the producers website).  So, I can't do it for free, and I can't even pay them to do it????  

Can someone tell me where the US ranks in population growth for the target demographic?  Can you also tell me how many people live outside the US that fit the target (both in age and disposable income)?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Robert.  I think the current mentality is costing the industry far more money than copying.  They need to mass deliver and take advantage of economies of scale.  They need to think beyond the United States.  Living in Vancouver, Canada, I can&#8217;t understand the current limitations (and I realize there are greater laws that might affect delivery - such as language rights, etc).  With that said, the mentality is so wrong.  If I want to, I should be able to buy now - don&#8217;t turn me away.  Both the industry and governments need to realize the importance of this.  I own a TiVo, but they wouldn&#8217;t ship it to Canada, so I had it sent to the US.  Now, I want to take advantage of Amazon Unbox and download a tv show I missed (yes, even with TiVo <img src='http://www.robertnyman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> ), but I&#8217;m not allowed, because I am not in the US (which if I was I could also do for free by simpy visiting the producers website).  So, I can&#8217;t do it for free, and I can&#8217;t even pay them to do it????  </p>
<p>Can someone tell me where the US ranks in population growth for the target demographic?  Can you also tell me how many people live outside the US that fit the target (both in age and disposable income)?</p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 19:20:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just wondering.. if you could download movies for $5 or $3 and songs for cheap.. that still wouldn't stop the buyer from adding their movies to a P2P network.. perhaps even unaware they did.

Of course there's always going to be piracy, but I do like the idea of better quality movies or what have you for a cheap price. Maybe they could even burn the name or id of the buyer within the movie itself, to deter people from sharing (if you get what I mean).

You're right though Robert, I would gladly pay if it wasn't so expensive. I even find .99 cents ridiculous for an MP3 file. .50 sounds so much better, or even cheaper. Just like Hockey in Canada, it took them forever to realize nobody was physically going to the games anymore because the prices were ridiculous. Sometimes it's better to lower your prices, to increase sales (simple philosophy).

Now.. if the cell companies would wake up and realize $2.50 for a ringtone is out to lunch!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just wondering.. if you could download movies for $5 or $3 and songs for cheap.. that still wouldn&#8217;t stop the buyer from adding their movies to a <acronym title="Peer To Peer">P2P</acronym> network.. perhaps even unaware they did.</p>
<p>Of course there&#8217;s always going to be piracy, but I do like the idea of better quality movies or what have you for a cheap price. Maybe they could even burn the name or id of the buyer within the movie itself, to deter people from sharing (if you get what I mean).</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right though Robert, I would gladly pay if it wasn&#8217;t so expensive. I even find .99 cents ridiculous for an <acronym title="MPEG Layer 3 - a common audio codec for music files">MP3</acronym> file. .50 sounds so much better, or even cheaper. Just like Hockey in Canada, it took them forever to realize nobody was physically going to the games anymore because the prices were ridiculous. Sometimes it&#8217;s better to lower your prices, to increase sales (simple philosophy).</p>
<p>Now.. if the cell companies would wake up and realize $2.50 for a ringtone is out to lunch!</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 18:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, as I see it, seeding a TV series should be generally accepted. The reasoning behind this is that the companies producing them doesn't really lose any (larger sums of) money. This because of the TV series being public as they are broadcasted on TV already and that people gladly pay their TV license anyway. So basicly it's a choise of weither wait for it to broadcast on TV or being able to see it whenever it suits you. I'd choose the latter in most cases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, as I see it, seeding a TV series should be generally accepted. The reasoning behind this is that the companies producing them doesn&#8217;t really lose any (larger sums of) money. This because of the TV series being public as they are broadcasted on TV already and that people gladly pay their TV license anyway. So basicly it&#8217;s a choise of weither wait for it to broadcast on TV or being able to see it whenever it suits you. I&#8217;d choose the latter in most cases.</p>
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		<title>By: Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 18:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jules said:
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I am a Canadian but that doesnâ€™t really mean I know anything more about the tax on CD/DVD-R than anyone else here. However, the tax must be small because, on sale this week, you can get a stack of 100 Fujitsu DVD-R discs for $25. I canâ€™t imagine that the tax would really be enough to cover the lost royalties on the 100 movies you could record to these discs.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You can see old and new levys (not taxes) here:
http://www.cb-cda.gc.ca/new-e.html

Proposed for 08-09 is:
  $0.29 : audio cassette over 40min long.
  $0.29 : CD-R/CD-RW
  $0.85 : 'audio' CD-R, 'audio' CD-RW, Minidisc
  $2.00 : per 'memory card' 256MB - 1GB
  $5.00 : per 'memory card' 1GB - 4GB
  $25    : per 'recorder' 1GB - 10GB
  $50    : per 'recorder' 10GB - 30GB
  $75    : per 'recorder' &#62; 30GB

66% of the levy is paid to the SOCAN, CMRRA, and SODRAC,  19.9% to NRCC for 'performers', and 15.1% to NRCC for 'makers'.
  
The current levy schedule is pretty close to that.

'memory card' applies to SD, MM, and MemoryStick cards.  Other formats are covered in some legalese document elsewhere.

The costs are more or less covered since the *vast* majority of disc and memorycards sold are not used to store pirated movies/songs, they're used for more mundane purposes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jules said:</p>
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I am a Canadian but that doesnâ€™t really mean I know anything more about the tax on <acronym title="Compact Disk">CD</acronym>/DVD-R than anyone else here. However, the tax must be small because, on sale this week, you can get a stack of 100 Fujitsu <acronym title="Digital Video Disc">DVD</acronym>-R discs for $25. I canâ€™t imagine that the tax would really be enough to cover the lost royalties on the 100 movies you could record to these discs.
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<p>You can see old and new levys (not taxes) here:<br />
<a href="http://www.cb-cda.gc.ca/new-e.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cb-cda.gc.ca/new-e.html</a></p>
<p>Proposed for 08-09 is:<br />
  $0.29 : audio cassette over 40min long.<br />
  $0.29 : <acronym title="Compact Disk">CD</acronym>-R/CD-RW<br />
  $0.85 : &#8216;audio&#8217; <acronym title="Compact Disk">CD</acronym>-R, &#8216;audio&#8217; <acronym title="Compact Disk">CD</acronym>-RW, Minidisc<br />
  $2.00 : per &#8216;memory card&#8217; 256MB - 1GB<br />
  $5.00 : per &#8216;memory card&#8217; 1GB - 4GB<br />
  $25    : per &#8216;recorder&#8217; 1GB - 10GB<br />
  $50    : per &#8216;recorder&#8217; 10GB - 30GB<br />
  $75    : per &#8216;recorder&#8217; &gt; 30GB</p>
<p>66% of the levy is paid to the SOCAN, CMRRA, and SODRAC,  19.9% to NRCC for &#8216;performers&#8217;, and 15.1% to NRCC for &#8216;makers&#8217;.</p>
<p>The current levy schedule is pretty close to that.</p>
<p>&#8216;memory card&#8217; applies to SD, MM, and MemoryStick cards.  Other formats are covered in some legalese document elsewhere.</p>
<p>The costs are more or less covered since the *vast* majority of disc and memorycards sold are not used to store pirated movies/songs, they&#8217;re used for more mundane purposes.</p>
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		<title>By: Jules</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jules</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 17:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a Canadian but that doesn't really mean I know anything more about the tax on CD/DVD-R than anyone else here. However, the tax must be small because, on sale this week, you can get a stack of 100 Fujitsu DVD-R discs for $25. I can't imagine that the tax would really be enough to cover the lost royalties on the 100 movies you could record to these discs.

Secondly, I agree with all of Robert's comments with the minor exception of his assessment of a downloading fee of $5/movie. Given that rental shops charge just slightly more than that (albeit for a short-term rental and with a significant delay in availability), I think that closer to $3/movie would be the price point that buyers would be attracted to downloading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a Canadian but that doesn&#8217;t really mean I know anything more about the tax on <acronym title="Compact Disk">CD</acronym>/DVD-R than anyone else here. However, the tax must be small because, on sale this week, you can get a stack of 100 Fujitsu <acronym title="Digital Video Disc">DVD</acronym>-R discs for $25. I can&#8217;t imagine that the tax would really be enough to cover the lost royalties on the 100 movies you could record to these discs.</p>
<p>Secondly, I agree with all of Robert&#8217;s comments with the minor exception of his assessment of a downloading fee of $5/movie. Given that rental shops charge just slightly more than that (albeit for a short-term rental and with a significant delay in availability), I think that closer to $3/movie would be the price point that buyers would be attracted to downloading.</p>
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		<title>By: Ole Hansen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ole Hansen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 17:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For a similar view, take a look at &lt;a href="http://www.baen.com/library/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Baen Free Library&lt;/a&gt;. 

A quote:
&lt;blockquote cite="http://www.baen.com/library/home.htm"&gt;Any cure which relies on tighter regulation of the market â€” especially the kind of extreme measures being advocated by some people â€” is far worse than the disease. As a widespread phenomenon rather than a nuisance, piracy occurs when artificial restrictions in the market jack up prices beyond what people think are reasonable. The "regulation-enforcement-more regulation" strategy is a bottomless pit which continually recreates (on a larger scale) the problem it supposedly solves. And that commercial effect is often compounded by the more general damage done to social and political freedom.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For a similar view, take a look at <a href="http://www.baen.com/library/" rel="nofollow">Baen Free Library</a>. </p>
<p>A quote:</p>
<blockquote cite="http://www.baen.com/library/home.htm"><p>Any cure which relies on tighter regulation of the market â€” especially the kind of extreme measures being advocated by some people â€” is far worse than the disease. As a widespread phenomenon rather than a nuisance, piracy occurs when artificial restrictions in the market jack up prices beyond what people think are reasonable. The &#8220;regulation-enforcement-more regulation&#8221; strategy is a bottomless pit which continually recreates (on a larger scale) the problem it supposedly solves. And that commercial effect is often compounded by the more general damage done to social and political freedom.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Allen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 15:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Taping things on cassette and videotape caused a huge uproar at the time, comparable to the uproar burnable CDs caused when they appeared, and mp3 and other formats now.

The solution was to add a royalty tax to the devices in the case of cassette and video recorders; the movie and recording industries weren't totally satisfied with the solution, but it struck a balance.

Canada made a similar move with mass storage devices which all carry a tax paid to the industry under the assumption that everyone is at least part pirate.  I don't entirely agree with the premise (everyone is guilty, tax them all) but it might be the only solution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taping things on cassette and videotape caused a huge uproar at the time, comparable to the uproar burnable CDs caused when they appeared, and <acronym title="MPEG Layer 3 - a common audio codec for music files">MP3</acronym> and other formats now.</p>
<p>The solution was to add a royalty tax to the devices in the case of cassette and video recorders; the movie and recording industries weren&#8217;t totally satisfied with the solution, but it struck a balance.</p>
<p>Canada made a similar move with mass storage devices which all carry a tax paid to the industry under the assumption that everyone is at least part pirate.  I don&#8217;t entirely agree with the premise (everyone is guilty, tax them all) but it might be the only solution.</p>
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		<title>By: Johan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Johan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 12:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You should also mention libraries that offer books, CDs, tapes and DVDs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You should also mention libraries that offer books, CDs, tapes and DVDs.</p>
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		<title>By: Harmen Janssen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harmen Janssen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Mar 2007 12:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
Anyone, who is, say, 25+ of age, have grown up in a world where you actually had to buy what you wanted, in terms of records and movies.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;I'm not sure if I agree on this. Of course, I'm not 25+ of age, but my father told me stories about taping CDs or radio shows on cassette, and while this is of course not comparable to today's quantity of illegally copying/reproducing media, it's basically the same thing and in that particular time frame just as illegal.

Regarding movies, my conscience is clean, seeing that 60% of my income goes straight into my DVD collection :)</description>
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Anyone, who is, say, 25+ of age, have grown up in a world where you actually had to buy what you wanted, in terms of records and movies.
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<p>I&#8217;m not sure if I agree on this. Of course, I&#8217;m not 25+ of age, but my father told me stories about taping CDs or radio shows on cassette, and while this is of course not comparable to today&#8217;s quantity of illegally copying/reproducing media, it&#8217;s basically the same thing and in that particular time frame just as illegal.</p>
<p>Regarding movies, my conscience is clean, seeing that 60% of my income goes straight into my <acronym title="Digital Video Disc">DVD</acronym> collection <img src='http://www.robertnyman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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