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]]> By: Robert Nyman http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/02/15/the-html-guy/#comment-38769 Robert Nyman Mon, 26 Feb 2007 14:51:55 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/02/15/the-html-guy/#comment-38769 Cody, Siegfreid, Thanks for your comments. Siegfreid, <blockquote> Even if you would manage to enforce the usage of a certain title this would not at all alter what and how those people are thinking about you. </blockquote> Absolutely. Very good point! Cody, Siegfreid,

Thanks for your comments.

Siegfreid,

Even if you would manage to enforce the usage of a certain title this would not at all alter what and how those people are thinking about you.

Absolutely. Very good point!

]]> By: Siegfried http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/02/15/the-html-guy/#comment-38765 Siegfried Mon, 26 Feb 2007 14:13:53 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/02/15/the-html-guy/#comment-38765 Hi, yes, i know that. I'm doing software development for microcontrollers for machines. So in general here i'm "the stepper motor guy". Well, those peaple simply can't think of more. What a typical salesman understands about software design is somewhat similar to what an earthworm knows about flying. So why bother trying to convince a blind person about the advantages and beauty of colors? You would first have to make this person really <em>see</em>, but after that then you do no more have to convince him. Best is to simply ignore that. Even if you would manage to enforce the usage of a certain title this would not at all alter what and how those people are thinking about you. Hi,
yes, i know that. I’m doing software development for microcontrollers for machines. So in general here i’m “the stepper motor guy”. Well, those peaple simply can’t think of more. What a typical salesman understands about software design is somewhat similar to what an earthworm knows about flying. So why bother trying to convince a blind person about the advantages and beauty of colors? You would first have to make this person really see, but after that then you do no more have to convince him. Best is to simply ignore that. Even if you would manage to enforce the usage of a certain title this would not at all alter what and how those people are thinking about you.

]]> By: Cody Lindley http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/02/15/the-html-guy/#comment-37910 Cody Lindley Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:24:26 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/02/15/the-html-guy/#comment-37910 My two cents would be that if you are a programmer by training (college or other) and work with the web then you are a web programmer (or software engineer, or just programmer). If you are not trained in the likes of C, Java, SQL, and databases and use HTML, CSS, and Javascript to produce the framework for the Visual Design/UI then in my opinion you are a Web Developer. Personally I think calling a web programmer a web developer is overly generous. There are very few that can produce both high quality client-side code and sever-side code. We should just avoid trying to give a title to the Shaun Inman's of the world...as they can pretty much do, and be anything they want. My two cents would be that if you are a programmer by training (college or other) and work with the web then you are a web programmer (or software engineer, or just programmer). If you are not trained in the likes of C, Java, SQL, and databases and use HTML, CSS, and Javascript to produce the framework for the Visual Design/UI then in my opinion you are a Web Developer. Personally I think calling a web programmer a web developer is overly generous. There are very few that can produce both high quality client-side code and sever-side code. We should just avoid trying to give a title to the Shaun Inman’s of the world…as they can pretty much do, and be anything they want.

]]> By: Cody Lindley http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/02/15/the-html-guy/#comment-37909 Cody Lindley Thu, 22 Feb 2007 14:22:03 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/02/15/the-html-guy/#comment-37909 My two cents would be that if you are a programmer by training (college or other) and work with the web then you are a web programmer (or software engineer, or just programmer). If you are not trained in the likes of C and Java, and use HTML, CSS, and Javascript to produce the framework for the Visual Design/UI then in my opinion you are a Web Developer. Personally I think calling a web programmer a web developer is overly generous. There are very few that can produce both high quality client-side code and sever-side code. We should just avoid trying to give a title to the Shaun Inman's of the world...as they can pretty much do, and be anything they want. My two cents would be that if you are a programmer by training (college or other) and work with the web then you are a web programmer (or software engineer, or just programmer). If you are not trained in the likes of C and Java, and use HTML, CSS, and Javascript to produce the framework for the Visual Design/UI then in my opinion you are a Web Developer. Personally I think calling a web programmer a web developer is overly generous. There are very few that can produce both high quality client-side code and sever-side code. We should just avoid trying to give a title to the Shaun Inman’s of the world…as they can pretty much do, and be anything they want.

]]> By: Jermayn Parker http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/02/15/the-html-guy/#comment-37787 Jermayn Parker Thu, 22 Feb 2007 02:56:44 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/02/15/the-html-guy/#comment-37787 Follow on my from my earlier comment, the problem with being ten years ahead of the other web developers is that they get <a href="http://germworks.net/blog/2007/02/22/jealously-and-infighting/" title="Jealously and Infighting" rel="nofollow">catty and jealous </a>. I guess this is what you have to expect by being the "web guru". lol Follow on my from my earlier comment, the problem with being ten years ahead of the other web developers is that they get catty and jealous . I guess this is what you have to expect by being the “web guru”. lol

]]> By: Robert Nyman http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/02/15/the-html-guy/#comment-37473 Robert Nyman Tue, 20 Feb 2007 20:13:38 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/02/15/the-html-guy/#comment-37473 Sam, Congrats! :-) Oscar, Thank you! You are way too kind! :-) Sam,

Congrats! :-)

Oscar,

Thank you! You are way too kind! :-)

]]> By: Oscar Berg http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/02/15/the-html-guy/#comment-37402 Oscar Berg Tue, 20 Feb 2007 15:51:53 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/02/15/the-html-guy/#comment-37402 The same customer would probably refer to an e-commerce site like Amazon.com as a "home page". And who think they could build an interactive "home page" themselves in MS Word. I have met these people many times when I worked with you on inhouse web projects and got asked many times why it takes so many weeks and costs so much to deliver the "home page" (which they figure is all about some HTML formatting of text). Be gentle to them, Robert. We all know how good you are at what you are doing and that UI design for the web requires lots of skills. The same customer would probably refer to an e-commerce site like Amazon.com as a “home page”. And who think they could build an interactive “home page” themselves in MS Word. I have met these people many times when I worked with you on inhouse web projects and got asked many times why it takes so many weeks and costs so much to deliver the “home page” (which they figure is all about some HTML formatting of text). Be gentle to them, Robert. We all know how good you are at what you are doing and that UI design for the web requires lots of skills.

]]> By: Sam http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/02/15/the-html-guy/#comment-37320 Sam Tue, 20 Feb 2007 09:34:43 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/02/15/the-html-guy/#comment-37320 Sounds ugly. Thank god I'm russian and we have no such "HTML-guy" word :) Sounds ugly. Thank god I’m russian and we have no such “HTML-guy” word :)

]]> By: Robert Nyman http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/02/15/the-html-guy/#comment-37293 Robert Nyman Tue, 20 Feb 2007 07:48:41 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/02/15/the-html-guy/#comment-37293 Guys, Thanks for sharing! Guys,

Thanks for sharing!

]]> By: karmatosed http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/02/15/the-html-guy/#comment-36897 karmatosed Sun, 18 Feb 2007 16:49:35 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/02/15/the-html-guy/#comment-36897 They could have called you the code monkey - it's something I've got called before. With me it's more people can't grasp I do design and development. They could have called you the code monkey - it’s something I’ve got called before. With me it’s more people can’t grasp I do design and development.

]]> By: Maaike http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/02/15/the-html-guy/#comment-36874 Maaike Sun, 18 Feb 2007 15:07:21 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/02/15/the-html-guy/#comment-36874 I am a 'graphic designer who also builds websites'. Which is a bit too long :D So webdesigner is actually a fitting title for me. I agree many people may not take you seriously if you call yourself a webdesigner, but then again: that's their problem. There are webdesigners out there who actually know what they're doing (even if they are a minority...). I am a ‘graphic designer who also builds websites’. Which is a bit too long :D
So webdesigner is actually a fitting title for me. I agree many people may not take you seriously if you call yourself a webdesigner, but then again: that’s their problem. There are webdesigners out there who actually know what they’re doing (even if they are a minority…).

]]> By: eugene http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/02/15/the-html-guy/#comment-36861 eugene Sun, 18 Feb 2007 14:17:59 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/02/15/the-html-guy/#comment-36861 ROFL... the HTML guy.. Geeees... Same here...: <em>..... "ah, you're the one that's doing something w/ Internet..."</em> What do I do then you're wondering: - project management - CMS implementation (also a <a href="http://www.roxen.com/" rel="nofollow">swedish CMS</a>) - <abbr title="Search Engine Optimisation">SEO</abbr> - web standards preaching, ongoing and going and going.... - etc. etc. etc. etc. the usual daily sh*t ;) ROFL… the HTML guy.. Geeees…
Same here…: ….. “ah, you’re the one that’s doing something w/ Internet…”

What do I do then you’re wondering:
- project management
- CMS implementation (also a swedish CMS)
- SEO
- web standards preaching, ongoing and going and going….
- etc. etc. etc. etc. the usual daily sh*t ;)

]]> By: Daniel Talsky http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/02/15/the-html-guy/#comment-36412 Daniel Talsky Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:31:37 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/02/15/the-html-guy/#comment-36412 I did "web developer" for years... but all people hear is "web designer". So now I just say "web consultant"... and that seems somehow more fitting, and people aren't as quick to see my as a visual designer who knows a little bit of "web stuff". I did “web developer” for years… but all people hear is “web designer”. So now I just say “web consultant”… and that seems somehow more fitting, and people aren’t as quick to see my as a visual designer who knows a little bit of “web stuff”.

]]> By: NICCAI http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/02/15/the-html-guy/#comment-36410 NICCAI Fri, 16 Feb 2007 22:24:51 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/02/15/the-html-guy/#comment-36410 What do I do for a living?? Same as you.. User Interface Design and Development I then use more design friendly intro when speaking with design types - and more dev when I need to get across that I'm technical. I also use design because I do a lot of interaction/usability consulting - on top of tons of HTML/CSS/JS.... What do I do for a living?? Same as you..

User Interface Design and Development

I then use more design friendly intro when speaking with design types - and more dev when I need to get across that I’m technical. I also use design because I do a lot of interaction/usability consulting - on top of tons of HTML/CSS/JS….

]]> By: Robin http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/02/15/the-html-guy/#comment-36386 Robin Fri, 16 Feb 2007 19:57:24 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/02/15/the-html-guy/#comment-36386 My official job title is a ‘Client-side web developer’ which accurately describes what I do I suppose. It’s a bit meaningless to non-web-industry people though... My official job title is a ‘Client-side web developer’ which accurately describes what I do I suppose. It’s a bit meaningless to non-web-industry people though…

]]> By: Robert Nyman http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/02/15/the-html-guy/#comment-36342 Robert Nyman Fri, 16 Feb 2007 15:33:27 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/02/15/the-html-guy/#comment-36342 Jeff L, Yes, definitely a good one! Emil, Yes, it's all about displaying <em>all</em> of your nice skills! :-) André, I definitely agree about web designer. Here in Sweden, at least to me, it symbolizes someone exaclty like that. <blockquote> Neither on the sensitiveness nor on the inadequacy of labels put on you. </blockquote> Man, I just gotta say that I love this sentence! Well put! Jermayn, Web guru is nice! :-) And maybe burning some bridges now as well? :-) Halans, I think it's a good term, in some contexts, but it doesn't cover every Front-End Developer's tasks (then again, what title does?). Rob kirton, Ha ha! Yes, some titles were never meant to be on a business card. :-) Jeff L,

Yes, definitely a good one!

Emil,

Yes, it’s all about displaying all of your nice skills! :-)

André,

I definitely agree about web designer. Here in Sweden, at least to me, it symbolizes someone exaclty like that.

Neither on the sensitiveness nor on the inadequacy of labels put on you.

Man, I just gotta say that I love this sentence! Well put!

Jermayn,

Web guru is nice! :-)
And maybe burning some bridges now as well? :-)

Halans,

I think it’s a good term, in some contexts, but it doesn’t cover every Front-End Developer’s tasks (then again, what title does?).

Rob kirton,

Ha ha! Yes, some titles were never meant to be on a business card. :-)

]]> By: Rob kirton http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/02/15/the-html-guy/#comment-36279 Rob kirton Fri, 16 Feb 2007 09:06:15 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/02/15/the-html-guy/#comment-36279 Robert Welcome to my world. At the moment I am the "CSS Guy". It's the life of the contractor. You tend to be brought in to solve a particular problem, and the problem you are brought in to solve is used to "semantically tag" you. On other occasions in the past, I have been a business guru when I have been responsible for developing products and services that have made or saved a lot of money for the hiring organisation. I guess the only label that really matters is the one that you carry around in your head. Just think carefully about it before putting it on your business card especially if it is really "fantastic handsome sexy beast web dev-rockstar" Robert

Welcome to my world. At the moment I am the “CSS Guy”. It’s the life of the contractor. You tend to be brought in to solve a particular problem, and the problem you are brought in to solve is used to “semantically tag” you.

On other occasions in the past, I have been a business guru when I have been responsible for developing products and services that have made or saved a lot of money for the hiring organisation.

I guess the only label that really matters is the one that you carry around in your head. Just think carefully about it before putting it on your business card especially if it is really “fantastic handsome sexy beast web dev-rockstar”

]]> By: Reine Larsson http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/02/15/the-html-guy/#comment-36273 Reine Larsson Fri, 16 Feb 2007 07:56:37 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2007/02/15/the-html-guy/#comment-36273 The HTML Guy sounds like The Cable Guy but even more insulting. I prefer "web developer" for myself since I do both frontend and backend stuff, but unfortunately most people still think that web development is only writing HTML in a WYSIWYG-editor. Sometimes I give up and just refer to myself as "datanisse" (computer dude) which satisfy about 90% of the people. The HTML Guy sounds like The Cable Guy but even more insulting. I prefer “web developer” for myself since I do both frontend and backend stuff, but unfortunately most people still think that web development is only writing HTML in a WYSIWYG-editor. Sometimes I give up and just refer to myself as “datanisse” (computer dude) which satisfy about 90% of the people.

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