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		<title>By: Ricardo</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 17:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/tip.asp" rel="nofollow"&gt;This guy&lt;/a&gt; created a technique that solves the CSS on + Images off scenario, and even allows scalable image replacement, with very clean markup (a bit bulky css though).

I was in for simply using &#60;img&#62; tags with alt attributes, but it defeats the point of content/structure separation, I want all my styling away from the XHTML.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.tjkdesign.com/articles/tip.asp" rel="nofollow">This guy</a> created a technique that solves the <acronym title="Cascading Style Sheets">CSS</acronym> on + Images off scenario, and even allows scalable image replacement, with very clean markup (a bit bulky <acronym title="Cascading Style Sheets">CSS</acronym> though).</p>
<p>I was in for simply using &lt;img&gt; tags with alt attributes, but it defeats the point of content/structure separation, I want all my styling away from the <acronym title="eXtensible HyperText Markup Language - HTML reformulated as XML">XHTML</acronym>.</p>
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		<title>By: kai</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 21:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the question should be "is image replacement really that bad?"
;)
I don´t think so ^^</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the question should be &#8220;is image replacement really that bad?&#8221;<br />
 <img src='http://www.robertnyman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
I don´t think so ^^</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 17:17:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Robert Nyman</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 20:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,

I generally agree with you. However, and this might be slightly off-topic, but as of lately I've tended to lean to that it's ok to have one &lt;code&gt;H1&lt;/code&gt; element for the logo and one for the actual heading/name of the current page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>I generally agree with you. However, and this might be slightly off-topic, but as of lately I&#8217;ve tended to lean to that it&#8217;s ok to have one <code>H1</code> element for the logo and one for the actual heading/name of the current page.</p>
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		<title>By: David Hellsing</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Hellsing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 18:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we are talking about the logotype, I find it most often to be a part of the content, not design. It's a part of the default view and plays a critical part in telling the user who the author of the site is.

Considering the logo, it should also be clickable in most case, with the home page as destination.

&lt;strong&gt;Take this for example&lt;/strong&gt;: When replacing a h1 with a logo, which is &lt;em&gt;very&lt;/em&gt; common, you will probably make the h1 clickable in the same way. But since a h1 should represent the page's content and will likely change from page to page, it's not such a good idea at all. You'll get a situation where "I clicked the large 'blue widgets' link and came to the front page". Confusing and bad semantics. Not to mention SEO.

It's easy to use the very same replacement techniques to alter the logo in various layouts, f.ex negative for screen and positive for print.

I'm all in for using the img tag for logotypes, except maybe on the front page.

http://monc.se/kitchen/27/logotype-image-replacement</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we are talking about the logotype, I find it most often to be a part of the content, not design. It&#8217;s a part of the default view and plays a critical part in telling the user who the author of the site is.</p>
<p>Considering the logo, it should also be clickable in most case, with the home page as destination.</p>
<p><strong>Take this for example</strong>: When replacing a h1 with a logo, which is <em>very</em> common, you will probably make the h1 clickable in the same way. But since a h1 should represent the page&#8217;s content and will likely change from page to page, it&#8217;s not such a good idea at all. You&#8217;ll get a situation where &#8220;I clicked the large &#8216;blue widgets&#8217; link and came to the front page&#8221;. Confusing and bad semantics. Not to mention SEO.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s easy to use the very same replacement techniques to alter the logo in various layouts, f.ex negative for screen and positive for print.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m all in for using the img tag for logotypes, except maybe on the front page.</p>
<p><a href="http://monc.se/kitchen/27/logotype-image-replacement" rel="nofollow">http://monc.se/kitchen/27/logotype-image-replacement</a></p>
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		<title>By: Webdesign Rosenheim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Webdesign Rosenheim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 22:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, in this case the semantic meaning you are conveying is an image.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, in this case the semantic meaning you are conveying is an image.</p>
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		<description>Mike,

Thanks for your long comment, and for thoroughly expressing your view on it!

Correct me if I'm wrong here, but when it comes to how a screen reader reads out the text in the &lt;code&gt;alt&lt;/code&gt; attribute within a &lt;code&gt;H1&lt;/code&gt; tag, isn't that rather a screen reader issue?

I &lt;em&gt;think&lt;/em&gt; I've heard (not literally, but heard mentioned) that some screen readers do in fact read it out as a heading.

When it comes to image replacement techniques and &lt;code&gt;display: none&lt;/code&gt;, I couldn't agree more...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p>
<p>Thanks for your long comment, and for thoroughly expressing your view on it!</p>
<p>Correct me if I&#8217;m wrong here, but when it comes to how a screen reader reads out the text in the <code>alt</code> attribute within a <code>H1</code> tag, isn&#8217;t that rather a screen reader issue?</p>
<p>I <em>think</em> I&#8217;ve heard (not literally, but heard mentioned) that some screen readers do in fact read it out as a heading.</p>
<p>When it comes to image replacement techniques and <code>display: none</code>, I couldn&#8217;t agree more&#8230;</p>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2005 16:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>semantically-rich * :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>semantically-rich * <img src='http://www.robertnyman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2005 16:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey guys, I think everybody's kinda missing the point of image replacement here.  Image replacement was first thought up not as an easy way to put all presentational styles into CSS, but to &lt;strong&gt;help visually-impaired users who are using screen readers!&lt;/strong&gt; Did everyone forget that? :)

The reason that semantically-reach information is needed for images is because without that, a screen reader will announce a logo with the same emphasis as, say, a 5x5 pixel spacer GIF or an email icon.  That is the #1 priority point for using image replacement &#8212; because when you stick a logo into an H1 (not an image into an H1, but the H1 is the logo via image replacement) it is announced with the same emphasis as H1 text which is infinitely more useful to the assisted-user than just &lt;code&gt;alt&lt;/code&gt; text.  People using screen-readers FAR outweigh users who are browsing with CSS on and images off, so it's almost a moot point.

Sticking an image into an H1 for a logo doesn't help at all, because when the screen reader gets to it, it's only just announcing alt text on an image and the H1 semantics are lost.  Image replacement techniques that use &lt;code&gt;display: none;&lt;/code&gt; to work are completely and utterly useless because the screen reader can read CSS, and will not say anything that's not visible on the screen.  FIR and other display: none; techniques should not be used for this very reason.

Faruk summed up my thoughts on this subject almost completely, but remember everybody, image replacement was first dreamed up because it was a more accessible alternative to just sticking images into your HTML when those images convey meaning within the context of the site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey guys, I think everybody&#8217;s kinda missing the point of image replacement here.  Image replacement was first thought up not as an easy way to put all presentational styles into <acronym title="Cascading Style Sheets">CSS</acronym>, but to <strong>help visually-impaired users who are using screen readers!</strong> Did everyone forget that? <img src='http://www.robertnyman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The reason that semantically-reach information is needed for images is because without that, a screen reader will announce a logo with the same emphasis as, say, a 5&#215;5 pixel spacer GIF or an email icon.  That is the #1 priority point for using image replacement &mdash; because when you stick a logo into an H1 (not an image into an H1, but the H1 is the logo via image replacement) it is announced with the same emphasis as H1 text which is infinitely more useful to the assisted-user than just <code>alt</code> text.  People using screen-readers FAR outweigh users who are browsing with <acronym title="Cascading Style Sheets">CSS</acronym> on and images off, so it&#8217;s almost a moot point.</p>
<p>Sticking an image into an H1 for a logo doesn&#8217;t help at all, because when the screen reader gets to it, it&#8217;s only just announcing alt text on an image and the H1 semantics are lost.  Image replacement techniques that use <code>display: none;</code> to work are completely and utterly useless because the screen reader can read <acronym title="Cascading Style Sheets">CSS</acronym>, and will not say anything that&#8217;s not visible on the screen.  FIR and other display: none; techniques should not be used for this very reason.</p>
<p>Faruk summed up my thoughts on this subject almost completely, but remember everybody, image replacement was first dreamed up because it was a more accessible alternative to just sticking images into your <acronym title="HyperText Markup Language">HTML</acronym> when those images convey meaning within the context of the site.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Nyman</title>
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		<description>Dimitri,

Thank you!
Sounds like an interesting idea, with one inline image and one image replacement for spicing it up. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dimitri,</p>
<p>Thank you!<br />
Sounds like an interesting idea, with one inline image and one image replacement for spicing it up. <img src='http://www.robertnyman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Dimitri Glazkov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dimitri Glazkov</dc:creator>
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		<description>Good discussion. One case where I would see image replacement being used for a log is if the logo was modified for Web presentation (gradient added, colors changed, etc.). In this case, I would use img element to refer to the official, standard (print) image, and use image replacement to "spice it up".

This actually would work really nicely if you are building a print stylesheet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good discussion. One case where I would see image replacement being used for a log is if the logo was modified for Web presentation (gradient added, colors changed, etc.). In this case, I would use img element to refer to the official, standard (print) image, and use image replacement to &#8220;spice it up&#8221;.</p>
<p>This actually would work really nicely if you are building a print stylesheet.</p>
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