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		<title>By: Templaterie Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.robertnyman.com/2005/06/20/rise-lord-javascript/#comment-200573</link>
		<dc:creator>Templaterie Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 22:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ein Lob auf Javascript und warum es so verteufelt wird.Ich habe immer noch meine gro&#223;en Abers bei Javascript. Vielleicht weil ich kaum gute Scriptler kenne und ich eigentlich meist damit k&#228;mpfe und auch weil Entscheider &#252;ber die gro&#223;en Budgets manchmal echte Kr&#252;ppel-PCs haben und Javascript dann doch nicht funktioniert. Was da gesprochen wird aber klingt vern&#252;nftig und bemerkenswert. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Ein Lob auf Javascript und warum es so verteufelt wird.Ich habe immer noch meine gro&#223;en Abers bei Javascript. Vielleicht weil ich kaum gute Scriptler kenne und ich eigentlich meist damit k&#228;mpfe und auch weil Entscheider &#252;ber die gro&#223;en Budgets manchmal echte Kr&#252;ppel-PCs haben und Javascript dann doch nicht funktioniert. Was da gesprochen wird aber klingt vern&#252;nftig und bemerkenswert. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Nyman</title>
		<link>http://www.robertnyman.com/2005/06/20/rise-lord-javascript/#comment-549</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Nyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2005 21:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bryce,

Thanks for your comment.
No, no such joke yet...  :-)

Disabling script in IE is definitely not an easy task, so you might be on to something. Naturally, it's very hard to back this up with facts, everyone has their own way of gathering statistics.

I don't know if this is the best example, but &lt;a href="http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2005/May/javas.php" rel="nofollow"&gt;TheCounter's JavaScript statistics for May 2005&lt;/a&gt; show a pretty different figure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bryce,</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment.<br />
No, no such joke yet&#8230;  <img src='http://www.robertnyman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Disabling script in <acronym title="Internet Explorer">IE</acronym> is definitely not an easy task, so you might be on to something. Naturally, it&#8217;s very hard to back this up with facts, everyone has their own way of gathering statistics.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if this is the best example, but <a href="http://www.thecounter.com/stats/2005/May/javas.php" rel="nofollow">TheCounter&#8217;s JavaScript statistics for May 2005</a> show a pretty different figure.</p>
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		<title>By: Bryce Fields</title>
		<link>http://www.robertnyman.com/2005/06/20/rise-lord-javascript/#comment-547</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryce Fields</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2005 18:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has there been a "You were the chosen one!" joke yet?

I think you omitted what I consider to be the biggest myth of all concerning JavaScript, and that is that 10-15% of users disable it.  Has anyone ever tried to disable JS in IE?  Do you expect the AVERAGE user to be able to do that, let alone 10-15% of them???

It has long been my personal belief that JavaScript "metrics" have been thrown off by bot traffic and poor user agent detection.  But it's just a theory.  I've no hard numbers to back it up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has there been a &#8220;You were the chosen one!&#8221; joke yet?</p>
<p>I think you omitted what I consider to be the biggest myth of all concerning JavaScript, and that is that 10-15% of users disable it.  Has anyone ever tried to disable JS in <acronym title="Internet Explorer">IE</acronym>?  Do you expect the AVERAGE user to be able to do that, let alone 10-15% of them???</p>
<p>It has long been my personal belief that JavaScript &#8220;metrics&#8221; have been thrown off by bot traffic and poor user agent detection.  But it&#8217;s just a theory.  I&#8217;ve no hard numbers to back it up.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Nyman</title>
		<link>http://www.robertnyman.com/2005/06/20/rise-lord-javascript/#comment-541</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Nyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2005 05:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sacha,

That's great to hear!  :-D

My original intention with this post was to get people to realize all the ways they can accomplish enchancements with JavaScript.

Nicholas,

Welcome here!
Enhancement is the keyword. And yes, drag 'n' drop rocks!  :-)

Good luck with the sales of your book!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sacha,</p>
<p>That&#8217;s great to hear!  <img src='http://www.robertnyman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>My original intention with this post was to get people to realize all the ways they can accomplish enchancements with JavaScript.</p>
<p>Nicholas,</p>
<p>Welcome here!<br />
Enhancement is the keyword. And yes, drag &#8216;n&#8217; drop rocks!  <img src='http://www.robertnyman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Good luck with the sales of your book!</p>
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		<title>By: Nicholas</title>
		<link>http://www.robertnyman.com/2005/06/20/rise-lord-javascript/#comment-540</link>
		<dc:creator>Nicholas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2005 00:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice write up. The JavaScript misconceptions haunt me to this day. I couldn't hammer home enough to people that JavaScript should be used to &lt;em&gt;enhance&lt;/em&gt; the user interface rather than define it. But alas, drag and drop is soooooooooo cool! ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice write up. The JavaScript misconceptions haunt me to this day. I couldn&#8217;t hammer home enough to people that JavaScript should be used to <em>enhance</em> the user interface rather than define it. But alas, drag and drop is soooooooooo cool! <img src='http://www.robertnyman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Sacha</title>
		<link>http://www.robertnyman.com/2005/06/20/rise-lord-javascript/#comment-539</link>
		<dc:creator>Sacha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 20:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Robert

Your article is truly inspiring â€“ I immediately sat down to add some JavaScript to my web site. But not some kind of useless stuff that no-one needs, but a quite sophisticated form checker. Itâ€™s not finished yet as I havenâ€™t coded JS for years, but Iâ€™m glad I startet. Itâ€™s very interesting (especially the &lt;abbr title="Document Object Model"&gt;DOM&lt;/abbr&gt;, and as long as users without JavaScript donâ€™t have any disadvantages, I donâ€™t have to feel bad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Robert</p>
<p>Your article is truly inspiring â€“ I immediately sat down to add some JavaScript to my web site. But not some kind of useless stuff that no-one needs, but a quite sophisticated form checker. Itâ€™s not finished yet as I havenâ€™t coded JS for years, but Iâ€™m glad I startet. Itâ€™s very interesting (especially the <abbr title="Document Object Model"><acronym title="Document Object Model">DOM</acronym></abbr>, and as long as users without JavaScript donâ€™t have any disadvantages, I donâ€™t have to feel bad.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Nyman</title>
		<link>http://www.robertnyman.com/2005/06/20/rise-lord-javascript/#comment-538</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Nyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 18:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alessandro,

I've read your article now, and I wouldn't call your point of view tiny!  :-)

But in general, you are absolutely right. My purpose with this post is to pique the curiosity about JavaScript and to get those who do't use it today to start playing around with it.

Me having built a kind of Web OS based on JavaScript some years ago, I then did definitely more than event handling. 

With this post, however, what I was looking for was a reasonable introductory level to reach as many as possible. I think to present all the possibilites available with JavaScript at this initial state would be a bit overwhelming for some.

But for those of you interested in delving deeper into JavaScript right away, I recommend you taking a look at Alessandro's article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alessandro,</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read your article now, and I wouldn&#8217;t call your point of view tiny!  <img src='http://www.robertnyman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But in general, you are absolutely right. My purpose with this post is to pique the curiosity about JavaScript and to get those who do&#8217;t use it today to start playing around with it.</p>
<p>Me having built a kind of Web OS based on JavaScript some years ago, I then did definitely more than event handling. </p>
<p>With this post, however, what I was looking for was a reasonable introductory level to reach as many as possible. I think to present all the possibilites available with JavaScript at this initial state would be a bit overwhelming for some.</p>
<p>But for those of you interested in delving deeper into JavaScript right away, I recommend you taking a look at Alessandro&#8217;s article.</p>
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		<title>By: Alessandro Fulciniti</title>
		<link>http://www.robertnyman.com/2005/06/20/rise-lord-javascript/#comment-537</link>
		<dc:creator>Alessandro Fulciniti</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 15:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Robert, I agree that "interface developing consists of three layers" but a point is that Javascript, in a more general view, it's not only about behaviour. You'll find some reflections, toghether with my tiny point of view in my article &lt;a href="http://web-graphics.com/mtarchive/001568.php" rel="nofollow"&gt;Javascript: what's next?"&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Robert, I agree that &#8220;interface developing consists of three layers&#8221; but a point is that Javascript, in a more general view, it&#8217;s not only about behaviour. You&#8217;ll find some reflections, toghether with my tiny point of view in my article <a href="http://web-graphics.com/mtarchive/001568.php" rel="nofollow">Javascript: what&#8217;s next?&#8221;</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Nyman</title>
		<link>http://www.robertnyman.com/2005/06/20/rise-lord-javascript/#comment-536</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Nyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Faruk,

I'm sure it will be.
I really hope it will have some lovely scripts then?  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Faruk,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure it will be.<br />
I really hope it will have some lovely scripts then?  <img src='http://www.robertnyman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Faruk AteÅŸ</title>
		<link>http://www.robertnyman.com/2005/06/20/rise-lord-javascript/#comment-535</link>
		<dc:creator>Faruk AteÅŸ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:48:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert, you're going to love my gallery :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert, you&#8217;re going to love my gallery <img src='http://www.robertnyman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Robert Nyman</title>
		<link>http://www.robertnyman.com/2005/06/20/rise-lord-javascript/#comment-533</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Nyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 11:25:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The user being you in this case.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Yes, and all the visitors to the web site that I've gotten feedback from that have appreciated a different approach. :-)

But of course it's always a discussion with the viewport and what risks you're willing to take.
There will always be a minimum size for a web site to be optimally experienced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The user being you in this case.</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes, and all the visitors to the web site that I&#8217;ve gotten feedback from that have appreciated a different approach. <img src='http://www.robertnyman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But of course it&#8217;s always a discussion with the viewport and what risks you&#8217;re willing to take.<br />
There will always be a minimum size for a web site to be optimally experienced.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Heilmann</title>
		<link>http://www.robertnyman.com/2005/06/20/rise-lord-javascript/#comment-532</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Heilmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 10:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Given, with a certain height of the web browser window it works fine. To me, it was worth the risk with advantages I think the user got.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The user being you in this case. It is the same problem with multi level dropdown navigations. You don't know the space you have to play with on the visitors' viewports, and when you only do mouseover (without any delayed hiding)it can be really frustrating for the visitor to try to scroll to see the whole picture and hiding it by that.

This is where flash is cool, as you could shrink the image to fit the size and other shenanigans like that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Given, with a certain height of the web browser window it works fine. To me, it was worth the risk with advantages I think the user got.</p></blockquote>
<p>The user being you in this case. It is the same problem with multi level dropdown navigations. You don&#8217;t know the space you have to play with on the visitors&#8217; viewports, and when you only do mouseover (without any delayed hiding)it can be really frustrating for the visitor to try to scroll to see the whole picture and hiding it by that.</p>
<p>This is where flash is cool, as you could shrink the image to fit the size and other shenanigans like that.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Nyman</title>
		<link>http://www.robertnyman.com/2005/06/20/rise-lord-javascript/#comment-531</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Nyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 10:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,

Well, call me naive, but I thought it would happen.  :-)

And as for the screenshot, it's a web browser with many extra toolbars, an image in the top line hovered and the page scrolled down a bit.

Given, with a certain height of the web browser window it works fine. To me, it was worth the risk with advantages I think the user got.

But it's all in the eye of the beholder, I guess...  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,</p>
<p>Well, call me naive, but I thought it would happen.  <img src='http://www.robertnyman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>And as for the screenshot, it&#8217;s a web browser with many extra toolbars, an image in the top line hovered and the page scrolled down a bit.</p>
<p>Given, with a certain height of the web browser window it works fine. To me, it was worth the risk with advantages I think the user got.</p>
<p>But it&#8217;s all in the eye of the beholder, I guess&#8230;  <img src='http://www.robertnyman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Chris Heilmann</title>
		<link>http://www.robertnyman.com/2005/06/20/rise-lord-javascript/#comment-530</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Heilmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Assuming people read texts above thumbnail galleries explaining their functionality is like assuming that users have 2mb DSL connections to see your site exclusively (instead of downloading stuff). It just does not happen :-)

As you have seen in the screenshot you did not simplyfy my viewing experience at all. Sometimes conventions are there because they proved to be working.

A workaround would be to make the images clickable, and offer a checkbox to turn on the mouseover.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Assuming people read texts above thumbnail galleries explaining their functionality is like assuming that users have 2mb <acronym title="Digital Subscriber Line (broadband over phone lines)">DSL</acronym> connections to see your site exclusively (instead of downloading stuff). It just does not happen <img src='http://www.robertnyman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>As you have seen in the screenshot you did not simplyfy my viewing experience at all. Sometimes conventions are there because they proved to be working.</p>
<p>A workaround would be to make the images clickable, and offer a checkbox to turn on the mouseover.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Nyman</title>
		<link>http://www.robertnyman.com/2005/06/20/rise-lord-javascript/#comment-527</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Nyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,

Thanks for your comment. Absolutes might be good sometimes.  :-)

Regarding the image gallery:
Yes, maybe a text indicating that images are being loaded should've helped before you clicked them. However, my intention was that the initial explanation in the page would help the user to understand that.

It assumes you can use a mouse, but it isn't a requirement since you can &lt;code&gt;Tab&lt;/code&gt; to each image and press &lt;code&gt;Enter&lt;/code&gt;.

Also, my main motivation &lt;em&gt;was&lt;/em&gt; to break the convention of thumbnail galleries, and to simplify viewing every image without the need to click them or go to another page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment. Absolutes might be good sometimes.  <img src='http://www.robertnyman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Regarding the image gallery:<br />
Yes, maybe a text indicating that images are being loaded should&#8217;ve helped before you clicked them. However, my intention was that the initial explanation in the page would help the user to understand that.</p>
<p>It assumes you can use a mouse, but it isn&#8217;t a requirement since you can <code>Tab</code> to each image and press <code>Enter</code>.</p>
<p>Also, my main motivation <em>was</em> to break the convention of thumbnail galleries, and to simplify viewing every image without the need to click them or go to another page.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Heilmann</title>
		<link>http://www.robertnyman.com/2005/06/20/rise-lord-javascript/#comment-526</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Heilmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 08:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, although many absolutes in there and only a sith lord would speak in absolutes. :)

However, albeit separated, I don't consider your photo site a good example of how JS can enhance usability. I started clicking the images until I realised that you show them on hover. 
You broke a convention of thumbnail galleries, and that confuses users. It also assumes I can use a mouse and my screen is big enough to show the image, which it isn't, as &lt;a href="http://www.onlinetools.org/tests/galleryshot.gif" rel="nofollow"&gt;this screenshot proves&lt;/a&gt;. 

I wrote an &lt;a href="http://icant.co.uk/articles/dyngallery/gallery2.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;example of a DOM/CSS gallery&lt;/a&gt; some time ago, that does follow the separation principles and does not break conventions.

More about it here:
&lt;a href="http://www.icant.co.uk/articles/dyngallery/" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.icant.co.uk/articles/dyngallery/&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, although many absolutes in there and only a sith lord would speak in absolutes. <img src='http://www.robertnyman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>However, albeit separated, I don&#8217;t consider your photo site a good example of how JS can enhance usability. I started clicking the images until I realised that you show them on hover.<br />
You broke a convention of thumbnail galleries, and that confuses users. It also assumes I can use a mouse and my screen is big enough to show the image, which it isn&#8217;t, as <a href="http://www.onlinetools.org/tests/galleryshot.gif" rel="nofollow">this screenshot proves</a>. </p>
<p>I wrote an <a href="http://icant.co.uk/articles/dyngallery/gallery2.html" rel="nofollow">example of a <acronym title="Document Object Model">DOM</acronym>/CSS gallery</a> some time ago, that does follow the separation principles and does not break conventions.</p>
<p>More about it here:<br />
<a href="http://www.icant.co.uk/articles/dyngallery/" rel="nofollow">http://www.icant.co.uk/articles/dyngallery/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Robert Nyman</title>
		<link>http://www.robertnyman.com/2005/06/20/rise-lord-javascript/#comment-525</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Nyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 04:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sil,

Thank you, and welcome here!
&lt;blockquote&gt;No site should require JS to work&lt;/blockquote&gt;
You're absolutely right, the JavaScript layer is an enhancement layer and there should alwaws be alternatives to it.

Jeroen,

The light is bright and shiny, isn't it?  :-)
Walk towards it, walk!

However...
Generally speaking, this is not about taking over with JavaScript or replacing anything else, it's about doing that little extra while offering alternatives and not sacrificing accessibility.


Faruk,

Ha ha!  :-)

If you want to be a rock star in web developing, you need to be brilliant at JavaScript too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sil,</p>
<p>Thank you, and welcome here!</p>
<blockquote><p>No site should require JS to work</p></blockquote>
<p>You&#8217;re absolutely right, the JavaScript layer is an enhancement layer and there should alwaws be alternatives to it.</p>
<p>Jeroen,</p>
<p>The light is bright and shiny, isn&#8217;t it?  <img src='http://www.robertnyman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Walk towards it, walk!</p>
<p>However&#8230;<br />
Generally speaking, this is not about taking over with JavaScript or replacing anything else, it&#8217;s about doing that little extra while offering alternatives and not sacrificing accessibility.</p>
<p>Faruk,</p>
<p>Ha ha!  <img src='http://www.robertnyman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>If you want to be a rock star in web developing, you need to be brilliant at JavaScript too!</p>
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		<title>By: Faruk AteÅŸ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Faruk AteÅŸ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 00:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo.....!!!


Sorry, just couldn't resist. ^_^</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nooooooooooooooooooooooooo&#8230;..!!!</p>
<p>Sorry, just couldn&#8217;t resist. ^_^</p>
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		<title>By: Jeroen Mulder</title>
		<link>http://www.robertnyman.com/2005/06/20/rise-lord-javascript/#comment-522</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeroen Mulder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:47:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I only saw the light and moved to the white side about a year ago. Suddenly, after seeing an alternative for _blank with a XHTML doctype and reading unobtrusive Javascript, I realized it's all good. It's simply brilliant, actually. 

With AJAX, the word is getting out (shows what some abbreviation for an old technology can do) and I'll do my best doing so as well. Wouldn't mind learning some more myself either ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I only saw the light and moved to the white side about a year ago. Suddenly, after seeing an alternative for _blank with a <acronym title="eXtensible HyperText Markup Language - HTML reformulated as XML">XHTML</acronym> doctype and reading unobtrusive Javascript, I realized it&#8217;s all good. It&#8217;s simply brilliant, actually. </p>
<p>With <acronym title="Asynchronous Javascript and XML">AJAX</acronym>, the word is getting out (shows what some abbreviation for an old technology can do) and I&#8217;ll do my best doing so as well. Wouldn&#8217;t mind learning some more myself either <img src='http://www.robertnyman.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: sil</title>
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		<dc:creator>sil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2005 21:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good article. I agree that .NET stuff generates IE-specific JavaScript, which is a problem, but people were right when they asked if "the next version of their product would stop being JavaScript dependant", because JavaScript is a layer above a non-JS-dependent website. No site should require JS to work; if you can get it to that state then you're almost obliged to write cross-browser code...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good article. I agree that .NET stuff generates <acronym title="Internet Explorer">IE</acronym>-specific JavaScript, which is a problem, but people were right when they asked if &#8220;the next version of their product would stop being JavaScript dependant&#8221;, because JavaScript is a layer above a non-JS-dependent website. No site should require JS to work; if you can get it to that state then you&#8217;re almost obliged to write cross-browser code&#8230;</p>
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