Comments on: IE 7, beta 1 - first details http://www.robertnyman.com/2005/04/26/ie-7-beta-1-first-details/ Web development and Internet trends Fri, 05 Dec 2008 11:01:31 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Robert http://www.robertnyman.com/2005/04/26/ie-7-beta-1-first-details/#comment-213 Robert Wed, 27 Apr 2005 08:50:32 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2005/04/25/ie-7-beta-1-first-details/#comment-213 My hope and goal is that inexperienced (as well as experienced) IE users will get a capable web browser that will open up the possibilities for web development. As for Mac users switching OSes just for a new version of IE, that's not likely to happen (and Safari and Firefox already have two good options for Mac users). My hope and goal is that inexperienced (as well as experienced) IE users will get a capable web browser that will open up the possibilities for web development.

As for Mac users switching OSes just for a new version of IE, that’s not likely to happen (and Safari and Firefox already have two good options for Mac users).

]]> By: Patrik Wilhelmsson http://www.robertnyman.com/2005/04/26/ie-7-beta-1-first-details/#comment-212 Patrik Wilhelmsson Wed, 27 Apr 2005 08:33:24 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2005/04/25/ie-7-beta-1-first-details/#comment-212 <blockquote cite="Roger Johansson">They can fix up IE all they want. Even if it’s way ahead of all other browsers I won’t be using it until they also make a Mac version</blockquote> I concur.

They can fix up IE all they want. Even if it’s way ahead of all other browsers I won’t be using it until they also make a Mac version

I concur.

]]> By: Robert http://www.robertnyman.com/2005/04/26/ie-7-beta-1-first-details/#comment-209 Robert Tue, 26 Apr 2005 18:01:32 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2005/04/25/ie-7-beta-1-first-details/#comment-209 Ha ha! :-) When hell freezes over then, I guess! ;-) Seriously, though, it's very interesting what they will make of it, since it is, and will be, a big part of our foreseeable future. Ha ha! :-)
When hell freezes over then, I guess! ;-)

Seriously, though, it’s very interesting what they will make of it, since it is, and will be, a big part of our foreseeable future.

]]> By: Roger Johansson http://www.robertnyman.com/2005/04/26/ie-7-beta-1-first-details/#comment-206 Roger Johansson Tue, 26 Apr 2005 16:37:24 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2005/04/25/ie-7-beta-1-first-details/#comment-206 They can fix up IE all they want. Even if it's way ahead of all other browsers I won't be using it until they also make a Mac version ;-). They can fix up IE all they want. Even if it’s way ahead of all other browsers I won’t be using it until they also make a Mac version ;-).

]]> By: Robert http://www.robertnyman.com/2005/04/26/ie-7-beta-1-first-details/#comment-197 Robert Tue, 26 Apr 2005 08:45:13 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2005/04/25/ie-7-beta-1-first-details/#comment-197 Tommy, Yes, the impact of competitors has been good, and the ideal scenario would be maybe 3-4 web browsers with equal share of the market. Of course these fixes aren't reason enough to go back for me neither, but at least I believe it shows some initiative for making it better. Ideally, I'd recommend not using CSS hacks at all, so that shouldn't be a problem. I prefer using <a href="http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/author/dhtml/overview/ccomment_ovw.asp" rel="nofollow">conditional comments</a> for serving IE its specific styles, which shouldn't generate problem in the future either. Tommy,

Yes, the impact of competitors has been good, and the ideal scenario would be maybe 3-4 web browsers with equal share of the market.

Of course these fixes aren’t reason enough to go back for me neither, but at least I believe it shows some initiative for making it better.

Ideally, I’d recommend not using CSS hacks at all, so that shouldn’t be a problem. I prefer using conditional comments for serving IE its specific styles, which shouldn’t generate problem in the future either.

]]> By: Tommy Olsson http://www.robertnyman.com/2005/04/26/ie-7-beta-1-first-details/#comment-195 Tommy Olsson Tue, 26 Apr 2005 08:35:05 +0000 http://www.robertnyman.com/2005/04/25/ie-7-beta-1-first-details/#comment-195 Of course Microsoft wouldn't have bothered with any of this unless they'd started to perceive Firefox as a threat. Regardless of what one may think of Firefox per se, this is a good indication that competition is healthy and monopoly is detrimental, IMHO. The fixes mentioned so far is not enough to persuade me to go back to using Internet Explorer, though. :) With all the hype about IE7, we, as web designers and developers, also need to remember that there will still be huge numbers of users with IE6 and even IE5 for the foreseeable future. The worst-case scenario is that they fix some things in IE7 and make it impossible to differentiate between IE6 and IE7 with our CSS hacks. Then we will have to decide which one to support, and end users will suffer. Of course Microsoft wouldn’t have bothered with any of this unless they’d started to perceive Firefox as a threat. Regardless of what one may think of Firefox per se, this is a good indication that competition is healthy and monopoly is detrimental, IMHO.

The fixes mentioned so far is not enough to persuade me to go back to using Internet Explorer, though. :)

With all the hype about IE7, we, as web designers and developers, also need to remember that there will still be huge numbers of users with IE6 and even IE5 for the foreseeable future. The worst-case scenario is that they fix some things in IE7 and make it impossible to differentiate between IE6 and IE7 with our CSS hacks. Then we will have to decide which one to support, and end users will suffer.

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